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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2012, 04:13:13 AM »
I agree. It is a shounen basically done right. It's just that "shounen-like" to most people are probably series like Naruto or Bleach, which frankly are  just "battle manga". And I can't see FMA like those two much at all. But what do I know? I mainly stick to Shounen romance series anyways. XD

That's alright, I may not understand why people like the 2003 version more, but everyone has different opinions.

I mean, strangely enough, I've seen a lot of shows dubbed on myanimelist as "shounen" even when I don't think that they're necessarily shounen (and FMA:B isn't categorized as shounen, which I found surprising too).

Durarara for example falls under this category, and I was pretty surprised by that.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2012, 04:24:47 AM »
Well I'm sure you know that "shounen" is a genre mainly categorized for boys. Of course there's more to it. Sometimes it might be based off the art style, or the plot, maybe even the magazine it's serialized in. I'm not exactly sure completely how they figure out what makes a series a shounen though, just a couple things.
You know, I don't necessarily like how myanimelist categorizes series into genres. I feel like they omit a lot of genres that might fit into a certain series. I prefer the way Mangafox does that, I know for the most part what I'm getting myself into then. Except when it comes to the ecchi and romance tag sometimes really.

Really Durarara's a shounen? It always felt more like a Seinen to me.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 07:36:14 AM »
Speaking of shonen vs. seinen, I've just seen a review of Brotherhood which described it as starting out as a shonen but turning into more of a seinen towards the end because of all the elements it incorporates throughout the story.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 02:51:57 PM »
Eh, I don't see it. I think it's pretty much standard shonen but done well for the most part.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 10:17:14 PM »
Hmm, it doesn't really seem like it gets any more mature or darker really towards the end. So I'm not too sure I agree either.


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2012, 11:39:39 PM »
Just because it's optimistic in its ending doesn't mean it isn't mature, let's keep in mind.

Although, to be honest, it started out far darker than it turned into, in my opinion. There's a reason the 2003 anime turned out like it did, the original material the creators had to build on was dark. When one of your first stories after establishing the main characters is SHOU TUCKER AND NINA'S, then it continues the trend with HUGHES, it's very difficult to assume it would end very happily.

To me, it was the opposite. I'd say it started more seinen (if you ignore the occasional use of outlandish visual humor) and veered toward really really great shounen.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 12:23:06 AM »
yeahhhhhhh even though fma deals with some darker stuff, it's still obvious who the target audience is and it's pretty clearly shonen?? seinen series are targeted towards adults, which is the reason why it's common to find series in that genre with heavier content

the same can be said for a:tla--despite its more mature themes and serious plot, it's still geared towards kids and not something with an r rating slapped on it because of those things
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 02:08:14 AM »
Just because it's optimistic in its ending doesn't mean it isn't mature, let's keep in mind.

Although, to be honest, it started out far darker than it turned into, in my opinion. There's a reason the 2003 anime turned out like it did, the original material the creators had to build on was dark. When one of your first stories after establishing the main characters is SHOU TUCKER AND NINA'S, then it continues the trend with HUGHES, it's very difficult to assume it would end very happily.

To me, it was the opposite. I'd say it started more seinen (if you ignore the occasional use of outlandish visual humor) and veered toward really really great shounen.
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Fullmetal Alchemist is a clusterf*** of tone that leads to great storytelling.

I never said it wasn't mature. I just said that I don't think the ending is more mature than the beginning. I agree that the beginning was much much darker. The whole Tucker and Nina thing was probably as dark as it got mostly.
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I do however think it's much darker and mature than a lot of shounen series, but I still find it more shounenc than seinen.


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 02:09:57 AM »
I need to see this show!

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2012, 02:12:30 AM »
Yes, yes you do.


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2012, 07:44:40 AM »
Favorite characters, anyone? From either version, actually, it's fine.

For me, going Mangahood; Ed, Roy, Scar, Hohenheim, and Greed are my top five. And among this fabulous cast, that's saying something.

Been awhile since I've seen enough of the first anime to fully judge there, and when it's not the version of FMA that sticks out the most in my mind that really limits my ability to contribute to the conversation.

Sudden segue time. In terms of music, I think the only opening/closing theme from either series (including movies) that I really didn't like was the first 2003 opening, "Melissa". I don't know why, I just…I don't feel like the sound works with the encompassing story that is Fullmetal.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2012, 07:50:58 AM »
Melissa? I don't remember that opening.


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2012, 09:22:50 AM »
Melissa? I don't remember that opening.

Adult Swim only kept "Ready Steady Go" and "Rewrite" for the first anime as far as openings. Not surprised you're not aware of that one.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2012, 04:46:08 PM »
Ok, here is my rant about FMA vs FMA:B

FMA was a decent anime. However, while people like to say that it diverged in the middle of the series, I don't necessarily find this true. They had already changed many details about the show in the anime well before the middle. I for one do not particularly like FMA. I don't like the fact that it does differ from the manga so much, because the manga was amazing on its own. However, there were a few key things that I did love about FMA, mostly that FMA explained a few things that made sense that the manga did not.

Like, did anyone ever wonder why, in the mangahood, a militaristic country such as Amestris that is run by a furor (or dictator) would let a 12 year old boy take, let alone pass, an examination to become one of the highest ranking members of the military there is in their country? A rank which is described as equal to that of a major? Why would a 12 year old be allowed to become a "dog of the military"? While you could say maybe they just wanted more people for their army, if that were true Amestris would people kids like Ed as a lower ranking foot soldier and plus it does not seem like Amestris lacks soldiers in the first place. However, as much as I don't really like it, FMA explains why Edward's examination would be possible (The rescue of General Hakuro by Edward).

However, I will say that I do NOT like the ending to FMA. NO. NO. NOOOOO. I do NOT like that Edward ends up in Germany. I do NOT like that Rose is such an important character because she is very minor in the manga and that is how it should be. NO. NO. NO.

That said, I am a manga and FMA:B fan. I understand WHY there is a difference in the stories but that does NOT mean I have to like it. Again, there are portions of FMA I like, but mostly I do not.

As for characters, I'm a pretty hardcore Edward fan, along with Ling and Maes. I won't say no to Hohenheim, Mai, Winry or Lan Fan either.

And yes, everyone must know the epicness that is Fullmetal Alchemist, in what ever way they can.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2012, 04:56:51 PM »
I'll look for FMA:B when I'm out today.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2012, 05:05:11 PM »
Ok, here is my rant about FMA vs FMA:B

FMA was a decent anime. However, while people like to say that it diverged in the middle of the series, I don't necessarily find this true. They had already changed many details about the show in the anime well before the middle. I for one do not particularly like FMA. I don't like the fact that it does differ from the manga so much, because the manga was amazing on its own. However, there were a few key things that I did love about FMA, mostly that FMA explained a few things that made sense that the manga did not.

Like, did anyone ever wonder why, in the mangahood, a militaristic country such as Amestris that is run by a furor (or dictator) would let a 12 year old boy take, let alone pass, an examination to become one of the highest ranking members of the military there is in their country? A rank which is described as equal to that of a major? Why would a 12 year old be allowed to become a "dog of the military"? While you could say maybe they just wanted more people for their army, if that were true Amestris would people kids like Ed as a lower ranking foot soldier and plus it does not seem like Amestris lacks soldiers in the first place. However, as much as I don't really like it, FMA explains why Edward's examination would be possible (The rescue of General Hakuro by Edward).

However, I will say that I do NOT like the ending to FMA. NO. NO. NOOOOO. I do NOT like that Edward ends up in Germany. I do NOT like that Rose is such an important character because she is very minor in the manga and that is how it should be. NO. NO. NO.

That said, I am a manga and FMA:B fan. I understand WHY there is a difference in the stories but that does NOT mean I have to like it. Again, there are portions of FMA I like, but mostly I do not.

As for characters, I'm a pretty hardcore Edward fan, along with Ling and Maes. I won't say no to Hohenheim, Mai, Winry or Lan Fan either.

And yes, everyone must know the epicness that is Fullmetal Alchemist, in what ever way they can.

I mean, you do know that the reason the anime deviated was because the manga was only halfway done at the time? o_O

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2012, 05:58:16 PM »

Like, did anyone ever wonder why, in the mangahood, a militaristic country such as Amestris that is run by a furor (or dictator) would let a 12 year old boy take, let alone pass, an examination to become one of the highest ranking members of the military there is in their country? A rank which is described as equal to that of a major? Why would a 12 year old be allowed to become a "dog of the military"? While you could say maybe they just wanted more people for their army, if that were true Amestris would people kids like Ed as a lower ranking foot soldier and plus it does not seem like Amestris lacks soldiers in the first place. However, as much as I don't really like it, FMA explains why Edward's examination would be possible (The rescue of General Hakuro by Edward).

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(click to show/hide)Weren't they looking for powerful alchemist not because of their power in combat, but for their ability to open the gate? At least, I thought they said it somewhere in Brotherhood... And I think there was a chapter in the manga about Ed saving General Hakuro.


I thought FMA was ok, but I loved Brotherhood. And naming my favorite characters is almost impossible, everyone is just so awesome... I love Ed and Al, I also love Roy and Riza, they're great together, and Hohenheim, and Winry, and Ling, and Lan Fan, and Mai, and Greed, and Envy, and Doctor Knox... I think I'll stop now :D

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2012, 06:39:36 PM »
I mean, you do know that the reason the anime deviated was because the manga was only halfway done at the time? o_O


Yes, I do know that. I accept that, but like I said, I don't have to like it.


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(click to show/hide)Weren't they looking for powerful alchemist not because of their power in combat, but for their ability to open the gate? At least, I thought they said it somewhere in Brotherhood... And I think there was a chapter in the manga about Ed saving General Hakuro.



And I do not recall anything about Hakuro being saved in brotherhood, but I guess it could have happened. But I do remember that the government did not know about his ability to do alchemy without a circle until the test, when he made a staff without a piece of chalk. Collecting powerful alchemists with that ability explains why they gave him the position they did, but since they didn't know about that before the test, it doesn't explain why they let a 12 year old do so. Which is one of the few reasons why I like FMA.

Still, all that was my personal opinion. It's just what I think XP

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2012, 06:54:45 PM »
He was well-read enough and skilled enough to attempt human transmutation and successfully attach his brother's soul to a suit of armor.

It's possible that Bradley was informed of what happened by Mustang and he automatically knew that there was a chance Ed had already been in the Gate of Truth. No one else knew he could do alchemy without a circle during his testing, but Bradley made sure Mustang knew he would allow Ed the opportunity to take the test.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mustang went to great lengths to convince Fuhrer Bradley to allow a young boy to take the test, and Bradley finally agreed when told about Ed's attempt and accomplishment.

I don't think Bradley knew everything all the time, but by the time it reached his desk, he could pull the right strings.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2012, 09:38:51 PM »
Melissa? I don't remember that opening.

Adult Swim only kept "Ready Steady Go" and "Rewrite" for the first anime as far as openings. Not surprised you're not aware of that one.

Here's OP 1, "Melissa" by Porno Graffitti.

And here's OP 3, "Undo" by Cool Joke, in case you don't know of it either.

Oh! I remember those now. Yeah I mean #2 is good on it's own, but I don't feel that it fits very well.

I like #3 though.

OP 1 and 4 are the best though. I'm huge fan of Asian Kung-Fu Generation.
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