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Title: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 02, 2012, 02:41:32 AM
Aw yeeeeeah.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 04:49:39 AM
Why is no one in here? D:

As the resident slasher I remedy this!

(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/156/e/1/e173e43d86e669677bd4a14e1039c0c6-d52fqvq.jpg)

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/232/7/a/korrasami_1_by_le_feline-d5bsntf.jpg)

(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/307/4/4/girl__look_at_that_body_by_k_y_h_u-d5jvb5i.jpg)

Joking aside, I really do actually support this ship. I wish it were possible to be canon. I've read some incredible fic that made me cry.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 03, 2012, 04:52:45 AM
YES FELLOW SHIPPER <3

Gosh, that fanart is gorgeous. And I honestly think their personalities would go well together. I'm disappointed that they didn't get much interaction in S1.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 04:59:28 AM
There's a bit fanart for them, both safe for work and not. But the top pic I posted is one of the best. It actually made me gasp when I first saw it, it's so beautiful.

I'm also disappointed they didn't get much interaction. It was enough to pass the Bechdel test, but barely. I would absolutely love an episode in the next season of just them on an adventure, bonding together. omg this brings back many Kigo (Kim Possible/Shego) memories for me <3

I know the show can't do it because it's Nick and they have to follow rules and don't want to upset parents - but I would like just for once, for male characters to be close friends and support a girl/girl romantic relationship.  Even if they both were to start off with the guys but then wind up falling for each other, with the boys still being supportive friends, would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 03, 2012, 05:04:19 AM
There's a bit fanart for them, both safe for work and not. But the top pic I posted is one of the best. It actually made me gasp when I first saw it, it's so beautiful.

I'm also disappointed they didn't get much interaction. It was enough to pass the Bechdel test, but barely. I would absolutely love an episode in the next season of just them on an adventure, bonding together. omg this brings back many Kigo (Kim Possible/Shego) memories for me <3

I know the show can't do it because it's Nick and they have to follow rules and don't want to upset parents - but I would like just for once, for male characters to be close friends and support a girl/girl romantic relationship.  Even if they both were to start off with the guys but then wind up falling for each other, with the boys still being supportive friends, would be wonderful.

Agreed 9000%

Sadly we live in this generation where it's ~socially unacceptable for a children's cartoon~
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nightcrawler on December 03, 2012, 05:06:16 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meeauvrywr1r8mhvzo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 05:14:22 AM
omg that one's adorable <3 and so true. Asami would be much better at helping ease hurts <3

I remember reading there was going to be a Nick JR show that had a character with same gender parents. But obviously that never made it onscreen. Which is a shame, because as more states legalize gay marriage and it becomes progressively more "normal" there will be more kids who have gay parents. So not only do kids who aren't straight feel weird but so do kids who may not be gay but their parents are.

It'd just be nice for there to be a mainstream show aimed at the under 18 audience that has gay characters (they don't have to do more than hug and kiss! and not even making out!) and shows it as normal. Which includes have it progress like any other relationship would.

Even though Asami is minor (for now) I feel like if the wrote her into the show more, she too could be a really powerful female figure. Not to sound like a Super Feminist, but it would be great for the show to focus on two strong young women for once rather than a girl and some boys or a guy and gal.

Plus who better to help Korra with those who still agree with Equalists that nonbenders are oppressed? Asami, or one of the fellow bender boys?  Asami as a nonbender herself, knows what they feel. While she's able to overcome it, she knows not everyone else is as lucky. Korra is too stubborn and headstrong ("You're oppressing yourselves!") .  While I bet the issue is no longer in the story since Amon is gone, if it were Korra would need someone like Asami to show her where she's wrong and help her relate and help ease the tension between benders and nonbenders.

In regards to current S2 information, I really hope Asami is in the story more. Mako and Bolin may not be the best to help show Korra she shouldn't abuse her powers. And since when does she listen to Tenzin right away? While Asami doesn't have bending powers, she has her smarts, money, and political power. And after seeing what happened to her father and Amon she knows the dangers of getting haughty and abusing it.  I hope Asami plays a big role in helping Korra.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 03, 2012, 05:20:14 AM
CAS WHY ARE YOUR POSTS SO PERF ???

It's time the ladies step up and become the leads. I do still want Bolin and Mako to be a part of the show, but it'd be amazing if Asami became a main lead. And I agree with Asami being able to help Korra realize the nonbender oppression. Well, I just agree with your whole post because you're waaaay better at articulating things than me.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nightcrawler on December 03, 2012, 05:27:21 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me6k03wp1K1r8mhvzo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on December 03, 2012, 05:29:31 AM
I ship this now. I don't even know why. It's legit. I guess Yuri shipping is starting to grow on me.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 05:39:27 AM
CAS WHY ARE YOUR POSTS SO PERF ???

It's time the ladies step up and become the leads. I do still want Bolin and Mako to be a part of the show, but it'd be amazing if Asami became a main lead. And I agree with Asami being able to help Korra realize the nonbender oppression. Well, I just agree with your whole post because you're waaaay better at articulating things than me.

IT'S BECAUSE I'M AN ANGEL OF THE LORD. I KNOW ALL.

Just kidding. D'awwww <3 I'm more articulate than normal because I took a painkiller for a migraine and it makes me more looseygoosey and open in regards to feelings. And shipping inspires a lot fo feelings. I'm almost as passionate about Korrasami as I was about Jetko and Tyzula. 

I mean Willow and Tara on Buffy proved a girl/girl relationship could be done well without seeming like pandering or whatever.  It just makes me feel sad at Mike and Bryan. Between Borra not happening and probably no Korrasami I can't help but side-eye them when they're praised for writing and breaking barriers or whatever. What barriers? Korra got the pretty jerk bad boy.  Their relationship didn't actually develop. Heck, Korra/Asami developed more.

and omg Nightcrawler where are you finding these adorable arts <3

I'm openly bi and actually dated a girl for about two years. Korrasami at times makes me long for a love like that again. Not just with a girl, but the kind of relationship. The close feminine bond.  Korra has so many masculine traits that with the boy characters, even romantically, she's more one of the guys. But Asami really brings out the femininity in her. In the scenes with Asami, she looks beautiful as opposed to awesome.

If I still had the time/patience to write I'd love to write a fic where Korra and Asami team up to figure out how to resolve the bender vs nonbender oppression and Korra tries to get Asami on the council as a representative of nonbenders to voice their concerns.  Cause they are practically their own nation in comparison.  Plus they could bond over what a jerk Mako actually is and that could bring them closer!  (I'm sorry for the Mako bashing, I liked him at first honestly. But now with everything he's just grating. Why did he win? What did he do that's so great? He's worse than Zuko at times.)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 03, 2012, 05:44:42 AM
Quote from:
But Asami really brings out the femininity in her. In the scenes with Asami, she looks beautiful as opposed to awesome.

Agreed. I really love that aspect about Korrasami. <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 04, 2012, 04:28:18 AM
I'd like to deposit some arts

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/294/0/2/02237183442c13db6237b95affb99ab2-d5ij13x.png)

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/241/9/0/korrasami__pin_up_style_by_characterundefined-d5cw11f.png)

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/145/c/5/sympathy_by_mirere-d510yqz.jpg)

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/335/5/6/korrasami__ride_by_elleskinner-d5msb6w.jpg)

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/196/f/3/korra_and_asami_by_linnpuzzle-d57b5u6.png)

Arts gimme feels yo
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 04, 2012, 04:29:47 AM
SEXYFINE OVERLOAD

WHY MUST THIS SHIP BE /THIS/ HOT
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Glitch on December 04, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Keep in mind that this is shipping discussion, guys. Not art-dump threads. XD If you have some artwork you wanna share, please take it over to the ALOK Fan Art (http://thekorraconnection.com/index.php?board=50.0) board, alright? If it's good enough to be posted, it deserves to be properly shared so it's credited, right? :] Thx<3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aangismyhomie on December 04, 2012, 06:57:40 PM
This ship is so HOT! But I love that it can be cute as well.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: gurugoodygoody31 on December 05, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
I ship this now. I don't even know why. It's legit. I guess Yuri shipping is starting to grow on me.

I agree it just grew on me for a yuri
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Crystle on December 05, 2012, 04:39:57 PM
Ah, my ship. How I love it so.

This is really the only ship I approve of so hard in Korra. Cas said just about everything I would. They bring out all these wonderful qualities in one another and I just... They're cute and it just feels so natural to ship it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on December 05, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
This is not my thing,but that art of Korra removing her shirt is hot.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 06, 2012, 01:45:11 AM
Ahhh! I'm ashamed to be so late to the party! I feel even more ashamed that I didn't start the topic >.<


Look at this ship! Isn't it just perfect?

I can see Korra coming home with cuts and bruises Asami fretting, and threatening to zap those responsible!

She just brings out this softer quality in Korra in the still of night. I am just so in love with this ship.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Sachianna on December 11, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
Korrasami is my ultimate friendship OTP.

Like seriously. Feminism is wonderful, and Korra is strong and independent and all,

But I really believe that she needs a friend that is a girl in her life. Someone like Asami, to show her that there is no shame in embracing your feminine ways. You can still be tough, but you can still be a girl too.

But, OT, something tells me Asami would have a gargantuan lingerie collection. LMAO.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 12, 2012, 02:28:26 AM
ALL OF THE LINGERIE

... She's probably a frequent buyer at Jun's Secret.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 15, 2012, 09:40:31 PM
Some thing that actually upsets me about this ship is how it's treated by teh rest of hte fandom.

Just because it's a fem ship people treat it as a crack ship. But this ship is so legit!

If only this show was introduced ten years from now.. or ya know if peopel weren't so intolelrant
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on December 15, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
^Yes.

Sure you can appreciate the hotness, but this ship is more than just that. Korra and Asami would work so well together and I believe they can bring out the best in each other, make each other comfortable with who they are, and have genuine fun together while kicking ass. <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 15, 2012, 11:19:51 PM
OMG! Exactly!

And they would learn so much from each other!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aG3 on December 15, 2012, 11:39:59 PM
ALL OF THE LINGERIE

... She's probably a frequent buyer at Jun's Secret.


haahha~!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on December 24, 2012, 02:05:50 AM
Canon or not, this is the best pairing in LOK. Period.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 28, 2012, 01:00:58 AM
Yes exactly!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: PSUKFB92 on December 28, 2012, 02:22:17 AM
My dream moment with these two is the both of them kicking Mako when it hurts then proceeding to sexytimez. ;)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on January 14, 2013, 07:35:15 PM
... She's probably a frequent buyer at Jun's Secret.

I spat milk out my nose.

My dream moment with these two is the both of them kicking Mako when it hurts then proceeding to sexytimez. ;)

My LoK OTP is Mako/Asami's foot in his ass.  Extending that a little to include that^^ is not exactly a challenge.

I love Korrasami.  Then again, it's part of the Borrasami OT3 (and subsets thereof) that has become my shipping for the younger generation of LoK.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Deist Zealot on January 14, 2013, 08:55:16 PM
My dream moment with these two is the both of them kicking Mako when it hurts then proceeding to sexytimez. ;)
I don't think this image is precisely a lead-in to Korrasami...but something like this (http://ohsoooofancy.tumblr.com/post/26107874805/i-really-hope-no-one-has-done-this-yet-he-had-it), you mean?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on January 14, 2013, 10:17:55 PM
Yeah, something exactly like that.  Hopefully Asami's foot can dislodge the stick Mako's got shoved up there...

ooh, was that mean? I'm sorry, Mako. I want to like you. Bryke are just making it really difficult right now because your character is so problematic.

Yes, give me Korrasami over Makorra any day of the week.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on January 15, 2013, 05:13:42 AM
My dream moment with these two is the both of them kicking Mako when it hurts then proceeding to sexytimez. ;)
I don't think this image is precisely a lead-in to Korrasami...but something like this (http://ohsoooofancy.tumblr.com/post/26107874805/i-really-hope-no-one-has-done-this-yet-he-had-it), you mean?
Haha! That's awesome! And I may be a canon shipper, but so far, Korrasami is my LOK OTP!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on January 19, 2013, 10:54:58 PM
That pic of Asami and Korra kicking and beating up Mako is Priceless!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aanglover on January 20, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
I really like the Korrasami friendship and wish we saw more of it. They got  only not even a half of an episode to really get to know eachother and actually talk. Its one of the many ships that needed more developmental screentime that just didnt happen cuz it fell to the side of Makorra. I wanna see these two really get to know eachother in  personable ways (kinda like Toph/katara in Tales of Ba Sing Se)!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on January 20, 2013, 05:28:14 PM
I really like the Korrasami friendship and wish we saw more of it. They got  only not even a half of an episode to really get to know eachother and actually talk. Its one of the many ships that needed more developmental screentime that just didnt happen cuz it fell to the side of Makorra. I wanna see these two really get to know eachother in  personable ways (kinda like Toph/katara in Tales of Ba Sing Se)!
This. I'm not much for korrasami romance, but I love their friendship.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aangismyhomie on February 02, 2013, 07:22:06 PM
Is it weird that this pairing makes more sense to me than Makorra? Like, personality-wise? I feel like they fit together better than Korra and Mako do. I feel like Asami has the common sense and support that would be more useful to Korra than Mako's angst and "well that would be better but it's more convenient for me to just go with this" attitude.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Deist Zealot on February 02, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
Is it weird that this pairing makes more sense to me than Makorra? Like, personality-wise? I feel like they fit together better than Korra and Mako do. I feel like Asami has the common sense and support that would be more useful to Korra than Mako's angst and "well that would be better but it's more convenient for me to just go with this" attitude.
If Korra absolutely had to be paired with someone of Fire Nation/Earth Kingdom ancestry; if that character absolutely had to be long, lean, and almond-eyed; and if there absolutely had to initially be friction?

Well...let's compare Asami to Mako.  Asami's more competent, has a more pleasant demeanor, contributes more to the story proper, and is just as pretty.  (And has more chemistry with Korra than he does.)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on February 02, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
^^What DZ said.

Plus, Korrasami is just pretty. Shallow reason, but also a very true one.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 13, 2013, 08:45:35 PM
On one hand, I really want Korrasami to be canon because it's about time a main romance in a show aimed at older kids/teens was a homosexual one. On the other hand, I don't want it to stereotype Korra into being nothing but a lesbian because she is a strong, stubborn, outspoken, athletic woman.  It's kind of a double-edged sword there D:
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on February 13, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
True... but conversely, we would also have Asami in a lesbian relationship, showing the other side of the coin as a very feminine, girly woman.  It would be an interesting dichotomy to explore, if they took the time to showcase that you can't peg people's sexual orientation based solely on their external personality quirks.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: DoubleRussia on April 05, 2013, 01:09:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UoScyQ0.gif)

Hey guys.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 05, 2013, 01:55:16 AM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5pmw6Oy3K1rrn4vv.gif)

^^this thread right now
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on April 05, 2013, 04:04:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UoScyQ0.gif)

Hey guys.
I approve.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on April 05, 2013, 04:12:27 AM
Eh. I'll always be a friendship Korrasami fan! Anything more than that is not my style.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 05, 2013, 11:04:06 PM
[aggressively sobs that Korrasami will never be canon]
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 06, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UoScyQ0.gif)

Hey guys.
Thank you for this.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 06, 2013, 09:40:00 AM
I have that gif bookmarked. I plan to spring it on people frequently and without warning.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 06, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
I still want a legitimate reason why Korrasami can't be canon.

A real legitimate reason. Which character it'd be OOC for, why it wouldn't work in text, etc

Because so far all I hear is "KIDS CAN'T KNOW GAY EXISTS". D:
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on April 06, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
I still want a legitimate reason why Korrasami can't be canon.

A real legitimate reason. Which character it'd be OOC for, why it wouldn't work in text, etc

Because so far all I hear is "KIDS CAN'T KNOW GAY EXISTS". D:
Because Asami and Korra aren't Homosexuals. (They might be in a perverted 14 year old boy's fanfiction. But not their real characters.)
<< Post Merge: April 06, 2013, 10:06:25 PM >>


It would be OOC for BOTH of them. They simply have a gal pal relationship.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 07, 2013, 02:24:27 AM
I'll repeat what I said over on Amira's place:

Sexuality is not black and white.  It's not just "You are heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual and there's no in-between."  There are all kinds of shades of grey in between.  I'll use the ruler example again: if you look on a ruler, and the 0 mark is "exclusively attracted to men" and the 10 mark is "exclusively attracted to women," people can fall anywhere on that scale.  For example, I'd put myself at about the 1 or 1.5 mark.  I identify as heterosexual because I am predominantly attracted to men, but there have been a handful of rare occasions when I have experienced attraction to women.

I repeat: it's not black and white.

At this point, Korra and Asami have displayed attraction only to men (for that matter, only a single man between the two of them), but that does not mean that they could not experience attraction or romantic feelings for women (specifically, for the purposes of this discussion, each other) as well.  And when one completely disregards gender, the two of them being together is actually a lot more believable than any other pairing thus far presented.  Their personalities and personal histories match together exceptionally well.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Deist Zealot on April 07, 2013, 06:55:14 AM
First off:  thank you, Melon Lord.

As for Korrasami?  The reason it's not going to happen has nothing to do with the characters' canonical sexuality.  It's not going to happen because Nickelodeon wouldn't dare, for fear of bringing down the wrath of the self-proclaimed moral guardians. 

But...really, it's true:  They've come off more compatible with each other than either of them has with Mako (who, after all, is the only eligible boy whom the narrative has treated as desirable or even relevant).
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 07, 2013, 08:52:55 AM
Regardless, I shall continue to ship Korrasami because, quite frankly, in terms of compatibility, they are 100% more logical and believable a relationship than anything that has a prayer of becoming canon (because let's be realistic, as much as I love both Borra and Bosami, the odds of either being canon at this point are slim-to-none and the same goes for Irohsami... and we all know my current feelings on Makorra). 

I have a few guidelines for fanon shipping. The situation has to meet at least one (or all) of the following requirements:

1- There are no canon pairings.
2- I completely and thoroughly despise the canon pairings.
3- The pairing must be at least reasonably compatible (this is most important).
4- I'm pretty sure there's a fourth one but it's almost 4am and I've been up for too many hours straight and I can't think of it right now.

Obviously there are canon pairings (with the same dude) involved here. But I do not like either Makorra or Masami (though the latter was moderately tolerable). Therefore, Korrasami satisfies condition #2. It also satisfies condition #3, in that Korra and Asami have awesome chemistry and are completely compatible. And if I ever remember what the fourth condition was, I'll be able to see if Korrasami fits that, too.

But it still stands- given the complete lack of palatable canon pairings, I am perfectly happy to deeply adore Korrasami until such time as canon gives me a reason to revise my opinion (and even then I'll still adore Korrasami, but I won't be quite as upset at the US's homophobia for rendering it a near-impossibility as I currently am).

Also, on an entirely unrelated and thoroughly shallow note... Korrasami is easily the most visually appealing ship possible. Seriously. Consider every available option among the young LoK characters. Korrasami still looks the best together.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 07, 2013, 09:01:35 AM
Also, on an entirely unrelated and thoroughly shallow note... Korrasami is easily the most visually appealing ship possible. Seriously. Consider every available option among the young LoK characters. Korrasami still looks the best together.
Let's be real here.

Korrasami is the perfect start for homosexuality in more youth-oriented media because it would be two sexy ladies, and lesbianism has been the fairer homosexuality in the public's eye for years now. It would probably elicit a far less poisonous response than a male/male relationship in the show. If having homosexual relationships in TLOK is a place we're willing to go, this route would easily be safest.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's true.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 07, 2013, 09:30:15 AM
To me, that's always been the problem. There isn't that much representation in pop-culture of people finding their own sexuality as they mature. That's why you're able to say "They couldn't get together without it debasing their characters, they've only ever been with a man." We have this idea that you're either gay or straight, that you just come out of the womb that way. Plenty of people in our culture don't really see homosexuals as real people who grew up, it's like they're these archetypes that live in a vacuum, they just flutter into the scene periodically 'as a gay'; they aren't treated like human beings who had to go through plenty of experiences in order to get to this specific stage in their development. In reality, people are fluid, they have relationships and then they can change as they mature. People don't really like getting too much into that because they see it as too much work, or they simply don't want to deal with it, and thus it just goes primarily unaddressed and ignorance marches on to the simplest drumbeat.

If The Legend of Korra were to allow Korrasami to happen naturally as proposed, I'd support it fully. It's high time that homosexuality stops being a character trait to just slap on just because actually looking at the issues and the real people involved is too scary.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 07, 2013, 09:36:14 AM
*points again to first post on page 6 and silently awards Av yuans*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 07, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
*searches desperately for page 6 to no avail*
<< Post Merge: April 07, 2013, 09:43:37 AM >>


[Am I the only one who only sees 3 pages here? There are far more posts per page here than KF, for me.]
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 07, 2013, 10:02:05 AM
*searches desperately for page 6 to no avail*
<< Post Merge: April 07, 2013, 09:43:37 AM >>


[Am I the only one who only sees 3 pages here? There are far more posts per page here than KF, for me.]

http://thekorraconnection.com/index.php?topic=341.msg38487#msg38487
^^the post I was referring to.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 07, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
Really? I honestly don't watch much TV about teenagers and sexuality, because I find it a boring topic, (but that's just my personal story preferences). But from what I've snipped of watching my sister watch teenage shows, like Glee, there are quite a few characters who were formerly straight, and then later were in a homosexual relationship and realized they preferred the same sex to the opposite sex. It's probably realistic, I think it is realistic, but it's not how I prefer to see sexuality presented.

Or rather, to specify: I'd like to see the Avatar franchise deal with other sexualities than plain straight, but I'd like it to be presented as a normal thing, something you should be confident about and celebrate - something that's exactly as worthy as homosexuality.

I would like the show to have a role-model - someone that could inspire people to follow their hearts and sexuality. I do think that sexuality is confusing to young people - it will probably be regardless of what we present it as, but I'd rather have fiction showing the good sides of it, showing why it's something you shouldn't hide or be embarrassed about, instead of presenting it as an angsty teenage phrase that bring you nothing but confusion and misery.

In short, I'd like to see someone who's beyond the doubt; someone who is gay, and is confident and happy about who they are. Hell, it could even be someone who's bisexual - I'd just rather see them celebrating their sexuality, than angsting over it.
That is a good character to have around, but I don't like the feeling I get from them being the only one around. Then it just feels like throwing in a character for the sake of having one there, like having a token black kid. He/she could help provide guidance to said teenagers as they try to find themselves, and that could work great. Like I said, they should be treated like human beings. They can have a role model, they deserve one, but there are also plenty of things interlaced with this issue that deserve not to get shoved under the rug and ignored.

That's why you're able to say "They couldn't get together without it debasing their characters, they've only ever been with a man."

But that has nothing to do with homosexuality. I use precisely the same argument to argue why, as it is, Korra and Iroh is OOC. Why Borra is one-sided. Why you can't make a homosexual character heterosexual just because you'd like to pair them off with someone of the opposite sex.

Sexuality, regardless of preferences, is a part of characterization. You can't just toss it around as you please, without breaking the actual presentation. That's attraction to characters we've never seen them attracted to before, that's attraction to types a character has never found appealing, and that's breaking or altering a sexuality. I don't approve of character-altering on the reasoning of shipping, and I never have in any situation.

What I was trying to say: As it is, Korrasami is OOC, because we haven't seen the slightest hint that either of them is attracted to girls, but it's not necessary unrealistic that they could be, if the writers chose to go there. But it's requiring that the writers do go there, and show us a basis for a relationship.

There isn't even an argument being had here, as this is exactly what we're saying. If the writers were to will it so, I would support it. We're simply stating the fact that there is potential for the writers to realistically go that route if they had the permission.
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[Am I the only one who only sees 3 pages here? There are far more posts per page here than KF, for me.]

http://thekorraconnection.com/index.php?topic=341.msg38487#msg38487
^^the post I was referring to.
Ah, I thought it might be that! xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 07, 2013, 04:49:12 PM
But what if there was a homosexual teenage relationship without a whole lost of angst involved? The politics of this world are different from the real world. Who knows, that world may be completely accepting of those who don't identify as 100% straight. Because their problems fall on such a larger scale that being homophobic would seem petty in the grand scheme of things. So for one to come out of the closet or get with a significant other of the same sex may not be as big a deal and treated the same as a hetero relationship.

Which would be even better on the writers' part. To show that it's normal to not always be straight, that sometimes attraction takes you elsewhere.  In this day and age a lot of kids have gay/bi parents, siblings, or are even discovering it about each other. So to see it portrayed for once as something normal NOT to angst over, would work really well.

It'd be great if both girls tell Mako to screw off because he's too immature for the both of them and in their time of bonding Korrasami blossoms. Because aside from Tenzin, Asami is still the only character I can see who can truly help Korra and keep her grounded.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 07, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
For that reason I'd like to see it explored, but also not, because I don't want to have homosexuality just to "prove" that it's acceptable.

I think this is a point at which it would be appropriate to throw out a few quotes from various excellent tumblr people:

(All language in the below quote has been removed. It is unacceptable on the main boards.)

Quote from: thepanicmoon
I want queer people to be able to turn on the tv and see themselves.

i want them to be able to watch a crappy romantic comedy with an obvious plot and see themselves, to watch a serious tv show about vampire killing FBI agents and see themselves, to watch a fairytale kid’s movie and see themselves-

i want queer people to count as people outside of crappy, offensive dramas that see queerness as a gate to more drama, something all-defining and life-ruining, written by writers who don’t care enough to learn what’s a stereotype and what’s reality and still want cookies for putting goddamn cardboard cuttouts on their show-

and i want that queerness to be evident and unarguable.

i don’t want crappy backhanded references to a dude’s “friendliness” with his best friend-

i don’t want half-hearted mentions of a main character’s gay friend in an attempt to prove that the character and that the show aren’t homophobic-

I don’t want queerbaiting, that straight viewers can claim was just a joke, because it was, it’s just a joke the show can profit off for “representing” someone they don’t even count as enough of a person to deserve to be treated with respect-

And i want queer ladies and queer dudes and genderqueer queers and i want them to be different races and classes and have different goals and opinions and lifestyles and fashion choices and interests and lives and challenges, because queer people are not one, crappy, poorly done stereotype

I want to count as a person

i want every single queer person to count as a person

a person whose story isn’t a joke, isn’t something to be ashamed of, isn’t something you see once in an afterschool special about not bullying people, until they get “turned straight” or “fixed” or “just hadn’t met the right person” or kill themselves or turn out to be the villain if they “stay queer” because being queer means one has to be ‘punished’ for it-

I want us to count, and i want the media to acknowledge we count

There's also an extremely excellent Snowy Rant they wrote awhile back on the subject of why fanon slash and/or femslash pairings are so important, but for the life of me I can't find it.  But the gist was... the mainstream media does not give people with a nontraditional sexuality a chance to see themselves reflected in the stories they consume. It's just not f*cking there. And that's where non-het pairings in fanon come in and become extremely useful- it gives a chance for genuinely good stories to be told (stories with a focus on something other than the fact that "*waves hands in mock panic* ZOMG GAYNESS") featuring characters that people already have an emotional attachment to, and whose characters exist in the media without the point of their character being that they are The Gay Character.

In essence, m/m and f/f shipping in fanon is a way to gain "media" representation and find a reflection of oneself in admirable characters that the "real" media is simply not providing. And that's why it's important to be able to do this. This isn't about twisting characters' desires because some fangirl wants to see Zuko and Katara bang out of some personal wish fulfillment and doesn't give a damn about their own wishes; in a lot of cases (not every case, because obviously not every fan of a non-het pairing is gay themselves, take Melon for example, but in many cases) it's about a search for a character- a dynamic character someone can actually look up to and not The Gay Character who has become a staple on a few too many cable shows- or characters, when it comes to that, who shares something in common with them. It's a way to reflect on their own sexuality without having to address it directly within their own heart, which can be terrifying even without societal prejudices on top of the innate complexities of resolving these things within ourselves.

It's a similar concept driving this that makes Korra herself such a groundbreaking departure from tradition in American cartoons- not only do we have an action series with a female lead, we have an action series helmed by a WoC, and that is awesome and I cannot begin to tell you how exciting that is for me.

I huge part of the reason I got out of the mass media business was because, even though I'm part of several of the most heavily-represented demographics (white, predominantly heterosexual, middle class), it was sickening to me to realize how much anyone who didn't fit into that nice, tidy little box of "media acceptable" the way I do was ignored, pushed aside, or just given token acknowledgement for the sake of political correctness.

Therefore, I say- if people want to use characters they love and admire as a vehicle to help them come to terms with their own sexuality in a non-threatening way, more power to them.  Is that not, after all, why the human race tells stories in the first place? As a way to reflect on and understand ourselves in a way that makes it easier to digest?

And me? Well, I just love the ship, and I will always love the ship, and I don't have some big complicated reason for doing so. I just like them a lot and think they could put together a much more healthy, realistic, lasting relationship than either of them could with any of the other heterosexual possibilities available, and since I want my bbies to be happy, I'd rather they be happy in the relationship I can actually see making them happy.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 05:20:00 AM
Please keep in mind bisexuality and pansexuality also exist in the real world. Just because a character is straight at first, doesn't mean they have 0 interest in the same sex. There's a scale to sexuality. Some people fall more on one end than the other.

It wouldn't be out of character entirely for either lady to be attracted to each other. And it wouldn't make them SUDDENLY GAY or anything like that. They can both still like boys! Attraction isn't limiting. I'm in a heterosexual relationship but I'd be lying if I said there weren't ladies out there I'd still probably like to get it on with. Just sayin'.

We only have one season so far determining anything about characterization. And even in that one season the writers themselves flip flopped a lot like even they weren't sure at times. It's impossible to say things can't develop and change over time.

Like I'm a bit more adamant that the guys in 'Supernatural' far closer to the hetero side of the scale (but still may be bi) because there's been 8 seasons so far and each season spans about a year and so far the guys have all had nearly exclusive attraction to and relationships with women. That doesn't necessarily mean it's be out of character if they developed a homosexual relationship in the future, but if it happened suddenly and randomly that would be a lot more odd. As opposed to if the show had only been on for one or two with anticipation the show is meant to continue and their sexuality went a different direction. There's been LGBT characters appearing so the show isn't even against it or anything.

But in Korra it's just too soon to tell (4 seasons planned and we've only seen 1). It'd be a huge step in the right direction if they decided to go the route with Korra and Mako splitting up mutually and her moving on to someone like Asami. Both for the characters' sake and for LGBT representation in the media. Nickelodeon themselves aren't even anti-gay, but they definitely do fear the Moral Right if they had a main character on family TV that identified as gay. Bisexual they could probably get away with though, especially in a teenaged character.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on April 10, 2013, 03:47:39 AM
HQ, that was beautiful.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: DoubleRussia on April 11, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UoScyQ0.gif)

Hey guys.
Thank you for this.


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Your welcome
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: AvatarSnowy on April 13, 2013, 12:31:26 AM
I think this (http://avatarsnowy.tumblr.com/post/45242952270/having-been-in-fandom-to-varying-extents-for-about) is the post of mine that The Melon Lord Approves was talking about (content warning for swearing on my blog).

I would also like to back up what Harley Quinn pointed out; sexuality is not a rigid binary of gay OR straight with no gray area. There are lots of people who are attracted to more than one gender. Korra and Asami are not strictly, canonically heterosexual as much as they have canonically engaged in heterosexual relationships. Of course, bisexual and pansexual people can engage in heterosexual relationships. Even people who identify as homosexual will sometimes engage in heterosexual relationships.

If you don't ship Korrasami, you don't have to ship it, but saying it's out of character for them to be shipped because of their heterosexual relationships is baseless, to be frank.

I would also like to point out that even if Korra or Asami had, at any point in the show, stood up and said, "I like men and I have always liked men and I will only ever like men", that wouldn't make slashing them any less acceptable. There are already so many freaking straight people in the media, and there's nothing wrong with rereading narratives as being less heterosexual if that helps non-heterosexual people feel more represented or deal with their sexuality. To act otherwise feels a bit disrespectful.

And finally, in the interest of credit where credit is due, the absolutely lovely GIF that has been posted a few times in this thread is by tumblr user Sherbeeee and can be found here (http://sherbeeee.tumblr.com/post/46690911469/referenced-from-this-gif-i-had-to-release-my)!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 13, 2013, 04:01:42 AM
*aggressively applauds Snowy*

*also thanks Snowy for linking back to that post because yes, that *is* the one I was referencing*

*awards them all the yuans*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Blu on April 13, 2013, 08:20:39 AM
Mm I don't see why Korrasami should be ripe for that sort of criticism considering how much shipping in general inevitably interprets a character's sexuality in a way that may not be expressly supported by the show itself. Look at all the characters where we know absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation but are still featured in widely liked ships. Teo Lee for example. I mean by shipping that you're basically inferring something about Teo's sexuality that isn't supported by the show at all. But like...who cares?

It also seems strange to say that its out of character because its not like a homosexual relationship betrays any of the core aspects of either character. And in this specific case I'd argue that it is, in fact, more believable than what canon gave us.

There's also the fact that I hear these sorts of complaints against slash shipping far more than heterosexual pairings. I guess its like how its quite common to hear that people don't like slash shipping as a general rule. I just see it like any other shipping, which should just be judged on its own merits. And in a fictional universe where perhaps a majority of the characters are completely undefined as to their sexuality, and when we know that someone who dates a person of the opposite gender isn't necessarily heterosexual, why are slash ships so often derided?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 13, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
Mm I don't see why Korrasami should be ripe for that sort of criticism considering how much shipping in general inevitably interprets a character's sexuality in a way that may not be expressly supported by the show itself. Look at all the characters where we know absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation but are still featured in widely liked ships. Teo Lee for example. I mean by shipping that you're basically inferring something about Teo's sexuality that isn't supported by the show at all. But like...who cares?

It also seems strange to say that its out of character because its not like a homosexual relationship betrays any of the core aspects of either character. And in this specific case I'd argue that it is, in fact, more believable than what canon gave us.

There's also the fact that I hear these sorts of complaints against slash shipping far more than heterosexual pairings. I guess its like how its quite common to hear that people don't like slash shipping as a general rule. I just see it like any other shipping, which should just be judged on its own merits. And in a fictional universe where perhaps a majority of the characters are completely undefined as to their sexuality, and when we know that someone who dates a person of the opposite gender isn't necessarily heterosexual, why are slash ships so often derided?
Essentially the same reason homosexual relationships are derided. It's seen as unnatural.

The big implication is that heterosexuality is considered normal. When we assume a character is straight, there isn't any qualms about it and you can ship as you please so long as you admit it's crack or it has solid chemistry and a nice character-flow to back it up. When you suggest they might be in a homosexual relationship or have homosexual feelings, even if a person claims that they support homosexual relationships, there still seems to be this stigma, this 'why would you accuse them of being gay, how dare you' mindset that goes along with it that people don't really like to admit is there. Our culture still sees gayness as an insult, thus whenever the possibility is brought up, it's seen as the defiling of a character and people lunge out at it venomously. The worst part is, it might not even be conscious.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Blu on April 13, 2013, 10:32:40 AM
Mm I don't see why Korrasami should be ripe for that sort of criticism considering how much shipping in general inevitably interprets a character's sexuality in a way that may not be expressly supported by the show itself. Look at all the characters where we know absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation but are still featured in widely liked ships. Teo Lee for example. I mean by shipping that you're basically inferring something about Teo's sexuality that isn't supported by the show at all. But like...who cares?

It also seems strange to say that its out of character because its not like a homosexual relationship betrays any of the core aspects of either character. And in this specific case I'd argue that it is, in fact, more believable than what canon gave us.

There's also the fact that I hear these sorts of complaints against slash shipping far more than heterosexual pairings. I guess its like how its quite common to hear that people don't like slash shipping as a general rule. I just see it like any other shipping, which should just be judged on its own merits. And in a fictional universe where perhaps a majority of the characters are completely undefined as to their sexuality, and when we know that someone who dates a person of the opposite gender isn't necessarily heterosexual, why are slash ships so often derided?
Essentially the same reason homosexual relationships are derided. It's seen as unnatural.

The big implication is that heterosexuality is considered normal. When we assume a character is straight, there isn't any qualms about it and you can ship as you please so long as you admit it's crack or it has solid chemistry and a nice character-flow to back it up. When you suggest they might be in a homosexual relationship or have homosexual feelings, even if a person claims that they support homosexual relationships, there still seems to be this stigma, this 'why would you accuse them of being gay, how dare you' mindset that goes along with it that people don't really like to admit is there. Our culture still sees gayness as an insult, thus whenever the possibility is brought up, it's seen as the defiling of a character and people lunge out at it venomously. The worst part is, it might not even be conscious.

I think you're probably right. And no, I don't think its generally conscious. Its just that 'straight until proven otherwise' is such a strong idea with most people.

I guess something that also bugs me is when people deny slash ships because they 'spoil' what already exists between characters. Maybe its just my experience but its one of those things that I see levelled at slash ships more than heterosexual ships. From what I can glean from shipping its about taking what exists between characters and developing it into the romantic. Generally people can ship two characters who are friends and it doesn't undermine their canon dynamic, rather it appreciates that dynamic and goes further with it. So it always irks me when a homosexual relationship is more often seen as 'tainting' canon or whatever.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: AvatarSnowy on April 13, 2013, 03:36:24 PM
That's not at all how it works in real life, though. For all intents and purposes, I'm a lesbian, but I've only ever gone on dates with men. I hadn't come to terms with my sexuality when I went on these dates; I didn't realize I was only interested in women until very recently, and I am 22 years old. This isn't terribly unusual. To reiterate, sexuality is fluid. To assume that people are only attracted to x gender because you have only seen them express interest in x gender is, to put it frankly, a flawed line of thinking that erases the sexualities of real people.

That's your prerogative, I guess, but you're coming into a thread dedicated to a very self-aware fanon ship and telling us that the ship is inherently disrespectful and out-of-character. You don't have to ship fanon ships, but don't you think it's a bit disrespectful to go into threads for fanon ships and lecture the shippers therein on how baseless their ship is? I am aware that someone asked for a good reason why Korrasami should not be canon, but to be perfectly honest, you didn't give a good reason. Your reason more or less boiled down to "because Bryke doesn't feel like it", which, yes, okay, I grant that it's their story and you are technically correct, but it should have been obvious that the poster in question weren't talking about the arbitrary whims of the creators. She was referring to more overarching societal standards that stand in the way of queer representation in children's cartoons. To behave otherwise strikes me as a tad disingenuous.

Your argument basically boils down to every single fanon representation of any character being out-of-character. If you define characterization as being more based on the canon actions of a character, that's fine, I suppose, but when most people discuss characterization, they're focused on the personality and preferences of the character. You don't have to adhere strictly to a canon timeline to maintain a canon-compliant personality. People's romantic lives don't always revolve around a single person, so I don't see why a character would have to remain with their canon romantic interest in order to remain in character. Again, if you don't want to ship non-canon ships because you think they're inherently out-of-character, that is absolutely your right, but it's not an applicable argument to the question of "why can't this couple be canon?". 

You are absolutely right when you say that there are characters without established sexualities or romantic inclinations that can be interpreted as asexual. As a matter of fact, I know several asexual/aromantic people who do just that.

Bringing it back to Korrasami, the only feasible reason I can see it not happening is the backlash against conservatives who don't want their kids seeing a same-sex relationship. Naturally, this is a homophobic stance, but I still don't see Nickelodeon going for it, although perhaps Mike and Bryan would be open to the possibility if left to their own devices. That aside, I think Korra and Asami have a lot of potential for really amazing chemistry with one another. I've enjoyed the few scenes we have already where they've interacted and I look forward to seeing more of their interactions.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 25, 2013, 07:39:17 PM
A thing I see on Makorra is that it exists to make up for Zutara (people say that A LOT Makorra shippers and non) . Fire/Water all that jazz. While to me, Mako doesn't come off as super straight, just an opportunist and I kind of not so secretly ship Mako/Tahno. That's way more Zutara. :|


As for Korrasami I can honestly see both girls as being bi. They like each other genuinely, enough to not really let a man get between them. (When has that happened in a show aimed at a young audience? Very rarely do you see two ladies remain friends when one of them is with the other's ex or something.) Asami admitted in canon that despite her upbringing and everything else she likes Korra. Sure that may not mean "like" like, but she still likes her. And Korra warmed up to her rather quickly as well, despite having preconceived notions about her being uppity and snobbish.

Personally, I've been openly bisexual since I was about 13. My first feelings of attraction were to a girl, and later on in high school I was with another girl in a committed relationship for over a year.  That was a confusing time because I actually thought I was a lesbian, but after that initial attraction to that specific girl (I seriously pined for her, she was brilliant and gorgeous - way more than a "girl crush") I discovered having attraction like that to guys as well. As an adult, while I've mostly been with men I have had intimate relations with women as well and even briefly dated another woman while I was in college and the relationship ended mutually and happily. (And of course, now, I'm with a man. But he knows I'm bi and has grown used to the fact that I will also find other women attractive and awesome.)

So really, it's not a far cry to say that even if it's not explicit in the show, Korra and Asami could still be attracted to each other. I'm almost positive if I go frame by frame in the pool scene I can point out Korra kind of checking out Asami's  bod in that swimsuit. (Hello, cleavage!) The biggest hurdle the relationship has isn't the story or their characters it's the studio. America just really doesn't want to have prominent homosexual characters in media aimed at younger audiences. Nickelodeon has to abide by that until times change for the better.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 25, 2013, 09:52:22 PM
*quietly hands out yuans to Harley*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on April 25, 2013, 10:01:41 PM
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A thing I see on Makorra is that it exists to make up for Zutara

I don't believe this one bit. Not because I'm anti-Zutara (which I will not deny I am) but because the show doesn't exist to make every fan happy. I believe the fact that Korra's Water Tribe and Mako's a firebender has more to do with coincidence than making up for a ship that didn't happen in the last series.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on April 25, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
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A thing I see on Makorra is that it exists to make up for Zutara

I don't believe this one bit. Not because I'm anti-Zutara (which I will not deny I am) but because the show doesn't exist to make every fan happy. I believe the fact that Korra's Water Tribe and Mako's a firebender has more to do with coincidence than making up for a ship that didn't happen in the last series.
*hands yuan to Autumn*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 25, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
I didn't say that's my opinion nor did I say it's fact - it's just something I've seen pop up a lot. Maybe not here but definitely on tumblr and other forums. Angsty Firebender/Fiery Waterbender yadda yadda ~clearly it's set up to please Zutara shippers.

I mentioned it because people use asinine reasons to say why a ship is/isn't canon or whether it can/cannot happen. Makorra only exists to appease Zutara shippers, Korrasami can't happen because no one in the universe is gay, etc
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on April 25, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
Yeah, I realize that you weren't saying it cause that's what you personally believe. I've seen that pop up a LOT as well. I wat stating what I thought about that theory.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Deist Zealot on April 29, 2013, 11:13:02 AM
Then Mako and Korra would both be all "we need to talk", and then confessing to like someone of the same sex. That would make their break-up kind of quick and pain-free, and also mutual.
Or how about this?

Korra says "You're crushing on Desna/Hasook/Tahno...aren't you?"  at the same moment as Mako says "You're crushing on Asami...aren't you?"  Then, both of them blush and fess up.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 29, 2013, 07:17:31 PM
Then Mako and Korra would both be all "we need to talk", and then confessing to like someone of the same sex. That would make their break-up kind of quick and pain-free, and also mutual.
Or how about this?

Korra says "You're crushing on Desna/Hasook/Tahno...aren't you?"  at the same moment as Mako says "You're crushing on Asami...aren't you?"  Then, both of them blush and fess up.
So awkward.

So them.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on April 30, 2013, 05:12:05 AM
I would love that, to be honest. It would be gorgeous.

Also, Tahnako? Yes. I shall now ship it.  Because that's an oPpOsItEs AtTrAcT ship I think I can get behind because A) crack pairiiiiiiiiiing and B) no that's basically all just crack.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Panda on May 09, 2013, 12:07:49 AM
Regardless, I shall continue to ship Korrasami because, quite frankly, in terms of compatibility, they are 100% more logical and believable a relationship than anything that has a prayer of becoming canon (because let's be realistic, as much as I love both Borra and Bosami, the odds of either being canon at this point are slim-to-none and the same goes for Irohsami... and we all know my current feelings on Makorra). 

I know this was said a few days ago, but it really struck me as odd that you would exalt Korrasami and, in the same sentence, reject Borra, Bosami, and Irohsami on the basis of their unlikelihood. I think Korrasami is absolutely adorable, but I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. Really, I'd be a lot more supportive of this "use a fictional character to reinforce your comfort with your own—perhaps unfortunately frowned-upon—sexuality" if it wasn't, as Shiney had more elegantly pointed out, based almost entirely on this quasi-reasoning that because sexuality isn't black and white, Korra suddenly has this great propensity to be bisexual. Not only that, but this so-called consolation of individuals uncomfortable with their sexuality seems pretty backwards to me when based entirely on skewing the sexual preferences of someone who, most importantly of all, has shown absolutely no evidence of homosexual/bisexual/pansexual tendencies. Doesn't that encourage the exact opposite of what you intend to achieve?

(Though I do think that Avatar or any cartoon needs more homosexual couples. It's not fair to practically pretend that they don't exist, and I have an inkling that, as you did well to point out, there would be plenty in Avatar without the fear of audience backlash.)

I'd like to reiterate the fact that I enjoy the idea of Korrasami as a fanon ship—but only as a fanon ship. Many of your arguments follow the exact same reasoning that you resent in Zutara.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on May 09, 2013, 03:06:43 AM
Hey Panda I dare you to go into Supernatural fandom and use that explanation to declare Destiel a fanon-only ship. I'll give you $10.

At this point in time Korrasami is as likely as Borra, Irohsami, Bosami, Tahko or any other non-canon pairing.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Secrets on May 09, 2013, 03:45:14 AM
when based entirely on skewing the sexual preferences of someone who, most importantly of all, has shown absolutely no evidence of homosexual/bisexual/pansexual tendencies. Doesn't that encourage the exact opposite of what you intend to achieve?

Just because there is "no evidence" doesn't mean it can't exist. Sexuality is a broad spectrum, after all. People can be homo/bi/pan/etc. without showing it, or they may not have fully realized it themselves. They can also fluctuate too; sometimes sexuality isn't always concrete.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Blu on May 09, 2013, 08:33:38 AM
It seems like an aimless cycle to think like that though.

-The only evidence that suggests homosexuality or bisexuality is showing explicit interest in people of the same gender
-But Avatar is an animated children's show so we can't have that for fear of backlash
-So its inappropriate to want homosexual pairings due to lack of evidence.

I mean, as I said on the last page I really don't think something like Korrasami takes liberties with the characters at all. I don't buy Zutara because it takes actual liberties with the existing relationships that don't add up to me. But sexuality is something that doesn't really impact on the traits and interests of a character, and justifying Korrasami on those grounds doesn't require the leaps in canon that Zutara requires.

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"use a fictional character to reinforce your comfort with your own—perhaps unfortunately frowned-upon—sexuality"

I think people would just like to see a greater variety of relationships portrayed in the media. People often trivialise the issue but the media we consume is pretty damn important when it comes to shaping views. This isn't something that is beyond the limits of children's television content-wise, and we're dealing with a show that already deals with much harder themes, so its frustrating that we have to make do with so little representation in this area.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on May 09, 2013, 08:45:02 AM
*points dramatically to Moby's post and awards the yuans*

That's exactly it. That sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Panda on May 09, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
At this point in time Korrasami is as likely as Borra, Irohsami, Bosami, Tahko or any other non-canon pairing.

I think "unlikely" is a better word, personally. And even then I'd disagree. Elaboration below.

-The only evidence that suggests homosexuality or bisexuality is showing explicit interest in people of the same gender
-But Avatar is an animated children's show so we can't have that for fear of backlash
-So its inappropriate to want homosexual pairings due to lack of evidence.

I feel as though you're oversimplifying what I said and then arguing against points I didn't make. Or perhaps I just completely misrepresented what I intended. Either way, I guess I should clarify.

"Its inappropriate to want homosexual pairings due to lack of evidence"—that is terrible skewing of my post, and I completely disagree with their decision (or lack thereof); I was pointing out that I saw their reasoning—the fear of backlash—but I still really wish they would even out the playing field of sexuality in the Avatar universe. As I said, it's not fair at all that they, or whoever is responsible, largely just pretend that same-sex couples don't exist. There wasn't much reason behind Korra being homosexual without evidence. I'm not sure where you pulled such a general statement from, but I sure hope it wasn't my post. I couldn't care less about the sexual orientation of new characters. In fact, I'd actively encourage more homosexual ones.

I guess I'll boil things down to three points. The first is that it's disingenuous to shrug and claim that, even after twelve episodes of Korra not even showing an inkling of attraction to women, she's still just as likely to be attracted to them as anybody else. This logic makes no sense to me. Korra is an extremely well established character, and Bryke, if I'm not mistaken, had originally written the season to be a stand-alone. Don't you think you're stretching things just a bit to claim equal likelyhood of hetersexuality or bisexuality? If attraction to women was part of Korra's character as imagined and the season was written as a mini-series, don't you think Bryke would have made it a bit more clear up-front? And then to turn around and claim that Korrasami would be an excellent example for being open and proud of your sexuality after Korra has essentially kept herself in the closet for twelve episodes... I'm not buying it.

The second is just a reiteration: I do like Korrasami and I don't have any problems with it as a fanon ship. My whole first response was actually based around Melon claiming that Korrasami was just as likely as Borra or Borrasami... really? Korra and Bolin actually went on a date. Bolin, as far as we know, still feels some open romantic attraction to Korra. How on earth is Korrasami just as likely as Borra? When did Asami and Korra go on a date—or show the slightest romantic feelings for each other?

And the third is this: I don't care how much Bryke love trolling fans, the idea that they would toss twelve episodes of romantic development between Mako and Korra—no matter how poor a match you or I think they are—into the garbage is pretty crazy. A large majority of the interactions between Mako, Korra, and Bolin led up to the climax kiss on the season finale. I dislike Makorra, and even I would be disappointed if they did that unless it was done extremely well. And Bryke isn't the best at pacing romance if season 1 was any indication.

Korrasami is an adorable fanon ship, but if you think a canon rendition makes any sense in the current state of things, I'd contend that you're lying to yourselves.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on May 09, 2013, 10:37:59 PM
I guess I'll boil things down to three points. The first is that it's disingenuous to shrug and claim that, even after twelve episodes of Korra not even showing an inkling of attraction to women, she's still just as likely to be attracted to them as anybody else. This logic makes no sense to me. Korra is an extremely well established character, and Bryke, if I'm not mistaken, had originally written the season to be a stand-alone. Don't you think you're stretching things just a bit to claim equal likelyhood of hetersexuality or bisexuality? If attraction to women was part of Korra's character as imagined and the season was written as a mini-series, don't you think Bryke would have made it a bit more clear up-front? And then to turn around and claim that Korrasami would be an excellent example for being open and proud of your sexuality after Korra has essentially kept herself in the closet for twelve episodes... I'm not buying it.
You don't have to be born gay.

You don't have to even realize you've been 'hiding in the closet'.

Some people really do just find themselves and their sexuality evolving over time.

It's not like Korra is secretly bi or secretly gay and she's only been going around with Mako to try and prove to herself that she's straight. She could slowly develop an attraction to Asami over time, and it could seriously confuse her and even frustrate her for a while. I'm not sure if I'm simply confounded as a result of your choice of words, but it really isn't always that cookie-cutter with real people.

There are plenty of people seem straight as an arrow, then later on when you release it and watch that arrow in slow-motion, it turns out that it's wiggling around like crazy. Korra was a fairly sheltered teenage girl. She spent the majority of her time around her 'superiors' and guards whilst cooped up in a facility. She seems like the perfect candidate for a character still trying to find herself. She's headstrong and puts on a very self-assured front, then it gets shattered and we realize that she's been heavily sheltered and is actually pretty scared. And if we have any ideas about her being deep 'inside the closet' and that's how you want to play it, it seems pretty easy to say that if she were to harbor any feelings of that nature, and if their society wasn't too keen on them, she would keep them heavily under wraps as that's the kind of person she is. She's very fiery, very temperamental, and always presenting herself as more confident and assured than she really seems to be deep down. She has courage, yes, but she is still scared. I don't think it'd be so out of character for her to be very closed off and repressive about it, because she wants to come off as in control and to gain as much approval from those around her as she can garner on her own merit.

I don't think it should be played that way, but even then, I don't understand why it's so hard to be able to. Her overcoming that fear of herself would be character development, even an arc, and they could develop a healthy relationship out of it.

I think one of the big problems is that we have so much intent, and we want to present things in the most idealistic way, that we kind of ignore how things work because they aren't what we want them to be. We don't like having things a certain way, we don't like there being problems and difficulties, we want the cookie-cutter stereotypes. My big problem is, having a character who is just perfect and happens to be a certain gender or have a certain sexual-orientation doesn't make them a role model, it just makes them a flat character. There's still a stereotype, a perfect ideal that no actual person could easily match. Why are we so afraid of having real people in our media, who have real psychological issues and real emotional struggles and realistic changes over time? We throw that away, we avert our eyes, because it isn't easy enough to digest and we just don't want to have to deal with it; why the hell not? Why do we tell kids that they have to be perfect to be accepted? Why can't we show the process whereby young adults find themselves, and show that it can be stressful and frustrating, that it isn't always very easy, that if they are having doubts or issues with themselves that it's perfectly normal? People don't get that because we don't like showing that, and that's still a problem! We seem so averse to showing a character figuring out their sexuality because we just want the perfect, cookie-cutter rolemodel that makes people feel comfortable with themselves. That's a good thing to have, but it should not be the only thing that exists in that universe. They had to spend years of their lives getting to that point, and to ignore that is almost disrespectful in my opinion.

Yes, it's dramatic; yes, it's difficult; no, it isn't always glamorous; no, it isn't something that's easy to digest and it isn't a model of perfection.

But you know what?

You should NOT have to be perfect to be accepted.

Unfortunately, it seems like people who've been historically marginalized still have to.

If you don't fit the nice little mold popular society has picked out for you, they won't take you. I think that's wrong. We refuse to accept anything different because we are shown nothing different.

This is the biggest problem. We refuse to accept Korrasami could even happen because we refuse to accept that a human being could discover their sexuality later in life instead of just coming into existence as gay. If you aren't gay and proud of it, we don't 'buy it'. That's a problem.

Is it the most comfortable thing to watch, people finding themselves and all the frustrations that go along with it? No, it's not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't show it. In fact, that's all the more reason why we should. It's high time our media stops being afraid to present human beings as actual people.
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Do I think Korrasami is likely to happen? Unfortunately no, due to a multitude of factors.

Do I think Korrasami is just as plausible and realistic a possibility as the other ships mentioned? Absolutely.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Panda on May 09, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
This is the biggest problem. We refuse to accept Korrasami could even happen because we refuse to accept that a human being could discover their sexuality later in life instead of just coming into existence as gay. If you aren't gay and proud of it, we don't 'buy it'. That's a problem.

This is all very dramatic, and, once again, not what I said. The whole point was that if she was facing this inner conflict, she would show signs of it. Either in the videography or as dialog. This isn't a book where we can peer into the mind of the protagonist. It's a television show, and if Bryke wanted to imply that Korra was developing bisexual tendencies, they would have done so. I don't care if Korra is gay. I care if I watched twelve episodes of romantic development and Korra coming to terms with any sort of relationship, let alone one that would possibly be frowned upon, and then have it be thrown away the next season with no prior indication.

Your entire post seems like an enormous attempt of emotional appeal against things I didn't say—in fact, I agree with it. I've stated it multiple times, but it seems I can't get the point across that my issues with Korrasami don't stem from some secret distaste for homosexual couples on television. They don't stem from a distaste for a homosexual protagonist. They stem from a distaste for an abrupt change in the sexuality of a major character that wasn't hinted in the slightest during the entire first installment. That is the important part. A few episodes in, great. A whole season? That just seems contrived. Painfully so.

Oddly enough, it would even make sense for the change to occur a few seasons later. But you said yourself, the change would be slow. Season two Korrasami would feel forced on so many levels it would hurt.

I'd also like to repeat this point:
And the third is this: I don't care how much Bryke love trolling fans, the idea that they would toss twelve episodes of romantic development between Mako and Korra—no matter how poor a match you or I think they are—into the garbage is pretty crazy. A large majority of the interactions between Mako, Korra, and Bolin led up to the climax kiss on the season finale. I dislike Makorra, and even I would be disappointed if they did that unless it was done extremely well. And Bryke isn't the best at pacing romance if season 1 was any indication.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on May 09, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
This is the biggest problem. We refuse to accept Korrasami could even happen because we refuse to accept that a human being could discover their sexuality later in life instead of just coming into existence as gay. If you aren't gay and proud of it, we don't 'buy it'. That's a problem.

This is all very dramatic, and, once again, not what I said. The whole point was that if she was facing this inner conflict, she would show signs of it. Either in the videography or as dialog. This isn't a book where we can peer into the mind of the protagonist. It's a television show, and if Bryke wanted to imply that Korra was developing bisexual tendencies, they would have done so. I don't care if Korra is gay. I care if I watched twelve episodes of romantic development and Korra coming to terms with any sort of relationship, let alone one that would possibly be frowned upon, and then have it be thrown away the next season with no prior indication.
This is far less an issue I have with what you're saying, as opposed to the issue I have with media in general and its attitudes.

Still, I do find fault in that implication. Plenty of people have straight relationships like it isn't even a thing, and then they happen to change course later in life. There doesn't have to be something deeper hiding underneath all of that in order for the change to be valid or justified. Sometimes it just happens over time and there was no reason to believe it would've, at least not without hindsight.

Your entire post seems like an enormous attempt of emotional appeal against things I didn't say—in fact, I agree with it. I've stated it multiple times, but it seems I can't get the point across that my issues with Korrasami don't stem from some secret distaste for homosexual couples on television. They don't stem from a distaste for a homosexual protagonist. They stem from a distaste for an abrupt change in the sexuality of a major character that wasn't hinted in the slightest during the entire first installment. That is the important part. A few episodes in, great. A whole season? That just seems contrived. Painfully so.
I don't think the issue truly is about the evolution of a character's sexuality, as much as it is the assumption that it could not be properly done given what has already been presented.

Oddly enough, it would even make sense for the change to occur a few seasons later. But you said yourself, the change would be slow. Season two Korrasami would feel forced on so many levels it would hurt.
There are plenty of things we seem to be in agreement with.

It would be silly to assume that this entire character arc could condensed into a single season, I agree wholeheartedly. Again, it's merely the assumption that such a development could not occur at all due to what has already been presented that I find bothersome.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on May 10, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
*pokes head into thread*
*reads thread*
*steps quietly back out of thread until things calm down*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on May 10, 2013, 06:49:27 PM
It's not animus, Melon. In fact, this is rather tame and intellectually stimulating. Don't be afraid to speak your mind!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on May 27, 2013, 03:19:20 PM
I think Korrasami is the only ship that makes sense to me. I don't think Mako is someone who could challange and make Korra better person, I mean I guess he could, but I just don't think he has the rightkind of Fire for her.

Asami is smart, independant, and out going. I think we really saw this when she took Korra racing. I think the two of them have a subtle chemistry that could really turn into something special. I think of all the ships that have Korra in them... and Korrasami just works the besst.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on May 28, 2013, 01:08:45 AM
Precisely.

I mean, I'll freely admit that I do not like Makorra (largely because it has a measurable negative impact on the narrative integrity of the series as seen thus far), although I'm willing to have my opinion changed if Bryke can pull it off.  But I do enjoy Borra, Bosami, Tahnorra... they're not bad ships.

But Korrasami is, at this point, the only one I genuinely feel has a real chance of being long-term sustainable. Which, considering how little "significant" screen time they've shared, may be just little sad.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on May 28, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
*pokes head into thread*
*reads thread*
*steps quietly back out of thread until things calm down*
That's what I've been doing.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: bombalurima on May 29, 2013, 01:47:14 AM
Precisely.

I mean, I'll freely admit that I do not like Makorra (largely because it has a measurable negative impact on the narrative integrity of the series as seen thus far), although I'm willing to have my opinion changed if Bryke can pull it off.  But I do enjoy Borra, Bosami, Tahnorra... they're not bad ships.

But Korrasami is, at this point, the only one I genuinely feel has a real chance of being long-term sustainable. Which, considering how little "significant" screen time they've shared, may be just little sad.

Oooo, all this! I think I like Borra just a wee bit more than Korrasami, but I would love to see either ship happen. I just want more Korra/Asami interaction in the next season, for the love of god. Their interactions so far, I think, show a lot of promise--it's a good foundation to build on, but there's gotta be more!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on May 29, 2013, 02:28:02 PM
I'm just worried they'll get written into a "you stole my man!" Thing and then I'll hate byrke....

Like a deep in my soul hate that leads me to a murder frenzy...
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: The Melon Lord Approves on May 30, 2013, 06:09:10 AM
I'm just worried they'll get written into a "you stole my man!" Thing and then I'll hate byrke....

Like a deep in my soul hate that leads me to a murder frenzy...

Yes, oh god, please let this not happen. One of the only things I disliked about Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 1 was Korra being all catty about Mako (and not because it's a tired, problematic plot device- which it is- but because if they were going to go that route, they could have subverted a tired cliche and transformed it into a moment of genuine growth for Korra), and if that continues but with Asami on the jealous, petty end of the spectrum, I am going to throw things.  Firstly, because of the aforementioned tired/cliche/problematic/foolish aspect of it. And secondly because that's so thoroughly unlike Asami's nature as we've been given to understand it.

I expect there to be some lingering awkwardness, even six months on. Things got messy, and it would be downright bizarre if they did not address that at least indirectly. I don't mind a bit of awkwardness, a touch of uncomfortable tension that eventually gets maturely resolved, preferably by both of them deciding they're much more worthy of each others' time than some guy. But can we not have Korra and Asami being catty and ridiculous over Mako?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: LightningStrike on June 07, 2013, 12:37:57 AM
*Jumps onto ship immediately*

Hey, wasn't this ---> http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/189/0/d/korrasami_wallpaper_by_vanja1995-d56iux2.jpg (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/189/0/d/korrasami_wallpaper_by_vanja1995-d56iux2.jpg) <--- drawn by Studio Mir or something? The animators of LoK? I sense a whole lot of Korrasami-moped-bonding time coming in your near future...:P Bah. XD Anyways, I normally don't support same-sex pairings, but they're cute together. Like, really, really cute. No one, no one can deny that. And if you do deny it, well...you gotta deal with it. :D


[...]

I expect there to be some lingering awkwardness, even six months on. Things got messy, and it would be downright bizarre if they did not address that at least indirectly. [...]

I think that Bryke mentioned sometime, somewhere, far far away that Makorra would be having relationship problems in Book 2. XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: sparkstoaflame on January 08, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
Just...something I saw on Avatar Wiki, and thought it was pretty interesting. (http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:A_True_Fire_Ferret/Why_Bryke_Should_Make_Korrasami_Canon)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 08, 2014, 08:52:03 PM
No offense to that person, but this is exactly the thing I mentioned I have a problem with in the "Things That Annoy You Thread". Which is fans forcing their ideals onto characters and creators just because they think they somehow know better. It's an attribute these characters don't have and it would seem tacked on and out of the blue. Bad writing.

Character development my butt. I'm sorry, but did you see how Bryke handled the romance of LOK thus far. I don't trust them to handle something like this any better. The two should just stay away from romance for awhile.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: AvatarSnowy on January 17, 2014, 05:19:24 PM
I mean yeah I guess I kind of agree w that person from an objective standpoint? Like if I knew nothing about LOK I'd be with them 100% because we do definitely need more lgbt+ rep and I do legitimately think it would be good to have the show be more centered around the women. However knowing what I know about LOK and Bryke (and the fandom tbh) I'd say no.

Like ok this is the avatar fandom, do ppl remember what it was like when ATLA was airing? Korrasami being canon would do eff all to make the shipping wars stop. Remember when LOK was announced and ATLA's shipping wars rekindled? Or the fact that arguments abt ATLA ships still break out now? We're talking abt ships that had been est as canon for literal honest-to-god years and ppl still fight over them. I don't think that's going to stop any time soon and I don't think Korrasami being canon would help. If anything I think ppl would get even more bitter and vitriolic.

i.a. w what Fenix said abt character development also. I don't actually think Korrasami would intrinsically help. The problem isn't who Korra is or isn't with, the problem is how Mike and Bryan handle her and her relationships. Putting her with someone different isn't going to magically make Mike and Bryan good at pacing or character development or, you know, writing, so its not going to fix the issues ppl have w the show.

As far as LGBT+ rep and feminism go to be perfectly blunt I don't trust Mike and Bryan to handle those things tastefully and respectfully. Like I really do not trust them w a queer relationship, esp not btwn two women, and I think LOK has proven above most other things that the feminism inherent in ATLA came from ppl like Aaron & Elizabeth Ehasz, not Mike and Bryan, so I don't really... think this would help in that respect either... I dunno I just don't see them handling it well and if the relationships aren't handled well then they're ultimately going to do eff all for representation and feminism and what have you so. You know. Thanks but no thanks. Maybe if they had ATLA's team of writers I'd be here for it but to be honest if they had ATLA's team of writers we wouldn't have to worry about character development or feminism in the show so those parts at least would be null.

tl;dr nah, leave korrasami to fanon. at least I know most (most, not all, I know its not all of them) of the fandom writers and artists for Korrasami are themselves gay/bisexual/pansexual/queer people, generally women, who handle it well. //kanyeshrug
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 17, 2014, 05:40:30 PM
Thank you! You explained that better than I did. Yeah I just don't understand how Korrasami would suddenly help the show get better just because it's a yuri ship. Maybe it would have some merit if the writing was better, but that's not the problem. The problem was never who Korra was with, it was how her relationships and other relationships were written. Makorra or any ship they gave Korra could have been a great romance if they developed it well, but it wasn't.

I'd go even further than Korrasami and say that I think Bryke should leave shipping and romance to fanon in general and just focus on other stuff, more important stuff.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on January 17, 2014, 09:52:43 PM
There's an incredibly simple way to make the shipping more organic.

Stop treating it like a game.

Characters are allowed to develop feelings for one another and express them. They're allowed to have interesting, if flawed relationships. Putting in pointless conflict doesn't help. Throwing in curveball after curveball between characters when it doesn't service the plot is not helpful, it's excessive. We don't need this much conflict in the romantic subplots if we have much more pressing conflict occurring with the main plot. You have one or the other, sometimes both, but when the main plot's conflict is as SERIOUS BUSINESS as Korra's last two seasons have been, then leave the relationships alone. If we were to have a nice calm little 'filler' season, then sure, go right ahead. But when the fate of the free world, and the fate of the entire PLANET are on the line, that is really not the time to be throwing in extra unnecessary conflict. Or, in the very least, reveling in it so much to the point where you can tell the writers are distracted.

In the original series, they had the amount of responsibility to have Katara keep the relationship at bay until the war was settled, and now they're just pulling all of this craziness out of nowhere for no good reason during the middle of an arguably even more pressing conflict that the fate of the physical and spirit worlds hinge entirely upon. This is really not the time to write in Mako making yet another dumb decision because Bryke think it's fun to screw around with the romantic subplot rather than focus on the issues at hand.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: AvatarSnowy on January 17, 2014, 10:31:49 PM
Agreed w Av & Fenix. I don't think a love triangle, for example, was intrinsically a bad decision, but I don't think they should have included it in the plot when they didn't even have enough time to address the main conflict? Romance in ATLA was like.. background stuff, it was there and it was entertaining but it didn't overwhelm the main plot. And like if you want to have romance be a main plot, fine, do that, but I mean part of being a writer is picking and choosing what to include in your narrative and sometimes that means sacrificing things you otherwise like and if that means cutting out an ENTIRE PLOTLINE so you can treat the other plotline with the care and respect it deserves then do that. I'm like a million levels of perfectly ok w romance being left to fandom if Mike and Bryan don't know how to either keep it as low-key and b-plot as possible or give it the focus and attention it needs to be cohesive and entertaining and sympathetic, & Korrasami is DEFINITELY included in that.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 17, 2014, 10:44:44 PM
Well said both Snows and Av. I don't think it's bad to focus on romance if you can balance it out with the other plots. Thing with romance is that if it's not the most important plot of the story then it can easily be added more to the background and still work. It worked with Avatar and a few others I know of. Don't sacrifice vital plot just to appease to shippers. If other parts of the plot are of more importance, save the romance for another time. It can wait, and most fans will probably be happier with the trade off as long as the story is built well.

I honestly think that in Korra, the romance didn't contribute hugely to the plot and could've used a little less attention.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 17, 2014, 11:07:16 PM
Yeah, I'm basically done with romance in LoK. Because honestly, I don't care and never did. I remember watching Spirit of the Competition and being all, "did we really just spend a whole episode on this?" Relationship drama, to me, is really boring. I'd rather see a relationship develop between two characters over time.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on January 17, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
Yeah, I'm basically done with romance in LoK. Because honestly, I don't care and never did. I remember watching Spirit of the Competition and being all, "did we really just spend a whole episode on this?" Relationship drama, to me, is really boring. I'd rather see a relationship develop between two characters over time.
Same here.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 17, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
Agreed, I prefer relationships that take time to develop. They're more fun to ship, not ones where you suddenly find out that this person likes that person.

That being said, I have seen some romances develop in the space of one episode and it's done really well. It's no easy task to do that though.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 17, 2014, 11:52:23 PM
Yeah, that is pretty great. And you can make a good argument for that happening with Sukka (I mean considering the screen time they had, their relationship was super rushed, but still believable and lots of people ship it). But like everyone was saying before, it's not so great when it detracts from the main story.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 12:15:36 AM
I can't really since I don't like Sukka. XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 01:29:28 AM
Yeah, I'm more or less indifferent to it. Much like I'm indifferent to Korrasami, though I can see why people would ship it. I figure Makorra is still going to be endgame, but I don't really care if that happens. I'm just glad it sounds like Book 3 will be a break from romance.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 01:34:50 AM
I figure it is too, Bryke said they were soul mates I think. And I'm hoping they can fix up their story line then, but I doubt it's gonna happen and either way I'll never be a huge fan of it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 01:37:45 AM
The storyline of the romance or LoK in general?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 01:40:53 AM
I'm saying the story line involving the Makorra romance. I'm hoping they can at least do a better job on their relationship if they tackle it again, but I'm skeptical.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 01:43:21 AM
I like to joke that they'll do the same thing they did with Kataang: they'll be best friends all through book 3, and then there'll be so much sexual tension in book 4 that won't get resolved until the very end when they're shown making out on a balcony somewhere. XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 01:45:18 AM
I like to imagine they'll do that, but the things I imagine don't usually come true. XDD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 01:56:31 AM
So long as the Krew as a whole bonds better in book 3 with little to no romance drama, I'll be a happy camper. Regardless of who Korra ends up with.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 01:57:18 AM
True, I know I'd be happy with that too. It was one of the best things about the original series after all.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 02:17:03 AM
Yeah, it sucks that everyone decided to make the awesome developed relationships of the Gaang into shipping wars. Now we basically have the opposite with the Krew.

Isn't it funny how Korra immortalized the amazingness of AtLA just by being not as good?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 02:18:45 AM
Actually I still really like Korra, and ATLA was amazing way before Korra ever excited.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 02:21:44 AM
No, I agree, Korra doesn't deserve the fanwank it's been getting, but as Bryke have pointed out, people whined about the original show too, and now that it has a sequel that despite its flaws is still pretty darn good, the fandom acts like the complaints about the original show never happened.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 02:51:59 AM
Ah, I see your point. Yeah, I mean Korra does have it's share of problems, it's still a dang good show. And while the original didn't have as much problems as Korra, I'm not going to pretend it's perfect, it's not. Do I still like ATLA more? Well yeah, ATLA means so much more to me than some could ever understand. Korra can't beat that, but I'm still gonna enjoy it for what it is and not be so dang nit picky just because it isn't the original. Also I think people tend to overlook the problems with the original because of nostalgia.

Personally I think the last half of LOK season 2 was absolutely fantastic, and although there were a few unexplained things, it was pretty solid stuff.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: mywildimagination on January 18, 2014, 03:20:59 AM
I know, I loved the finale. I don't understand the people who hate on it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 03:57:20 AM
It seems though that luckily a lot of people liked it.

Anyways, we're way off topic. XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: sparkstoaflame on January 18, 2014, 08:30:04 AM
A few posts back about the Makorra thing and its maybe-recurrence in Books 3/4...I'm pretty sure Bryke mentioned *somewhere* that they were pretty much done with romance in LoK. :p Can't remember what, but I think it was in an interview...?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on January 18, 2014, 08:45:44 AM
I remember reading whatever it was. I'm almost sure they just said they were taking a break on it in season 3. I don't recall them mentioning anything about what they'll be doing in terms of romance in book 4.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on June 30, 2014, 04:50:06 AM
Korra has called Asami her girlfriend. All is well with the universe.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Taylor on June 30, 2014, 06:58:16 AM
Can they just make this canon already? They are literally the cutest thing ever.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on June 30, 2014, 04:13:12 PM
I didn't ship them before but now I do.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on June 30, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
While I don't pervert their relationship to ship them romantically, I do thoroughly enjoy the best friend dynamic they have achieved. Well done Bryke. It seems for the most part that we've dropped the love triangle stuff, which I really appreciate. 
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on June 30, 2014, 08:52:57 PM
While I don't pervert their relationship to ship them romantically, I do thoroughly enjoy the best friend dynamic they have achieved. Well done Bryke. It seems for the most part that we've dropped the love triangle stuff, which I really appreciate. 
why does it have to be perverted to be shipped

why can't shippers just have this
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on July 01, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
While I don't pervert their relationship to ship them romantically, I do thoroughly enjoy the best friend dynamic they have achieved. Well done Bryke. It seems for the most part that we've dropped the love triangle stuff, which I really appreciate. 
why does it have to be perverted to be shipped

why can't shippers just have this
Yeah really. Just because you ship them romantically doesn't mean you're perverting their relationship jeez. XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aanglover on July 01, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
I didn't ship them before but now I do.
YESSS
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Atari on July 01, 2014, 02:15:11 AM
While I don't pervert their relationship to ship them romantically, I do thoroughly enjoy the best friend dynamic they have achieved. Well done Bryke. It seems for the most part that we've dropped the love triangle stuff, which I really appreciate. 
why does it have to be perverted to be shipped

why can't shippers just have this
Yeah really. Just because you ship them romantically doesn't mean you're perverting their relationship jeez. XD

lebians pervert,, jdon'T U UNDERSTAND?? no homo haha B^)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on July 01, 2014, 05:09:20 AM
I don't think Cowboy means the word "pervert" that way. He probably just means that he doesn't go as far as others fans do where they end up shipping the two romantically. Although I'm not sure "pervert" is the right word for that even.

As for me, I dunno why but I've lately gotten to the point where I just don't like the idea of Korrasami as a romantic ship anymore. I don't know exactly why that is, I never had a problem with it before, but now it really bugs me. I don't think it's necessary the ship itself though, but more so the shippers of it on tumblr. There's just something about shippers on tumblr that squeeze all the fun out of certain ship. People on tumblr can be plain annoying. I feel like their pushing and pushing the ship, and it's right in my face and I don't like it. It was one of my problems with Makorra in the show itself.

I get why of course, Makorra was severely disappointing and and the inclusion Masami with the love triangle got to the most unbearable point so people want something different. I just wish I didn't feel like it was being shoved down my throat. And that people wouldn't freak out like little teenage fan girls over a teeny bit of friendly interaction. (I should realize I'm gonna get that in every fandom) But I digress, I realize I went in a very different direction, and that is that I really don't want Korra herself focused on any romance right now. I'd rather any members of the trio involved in the love triangle to be platonic friends for book 3. It's at a good note right now, it should stay that way this season. I really like Korra and Asami being friends who fight together, like Katara and Toph.

I wonder if my problem stems from a similar experience in the OUAT fandom, and I just have no patience nor interest in experiencing that again with LOK. Course Korrasami and the LOK fandom is tame in comparison so I'll get over it eventually. I never had a problem with slash shipping in ATLA. I'll probably still crack ship this once the fandom dies down after book 3 ends.

Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 01, 2014, 06:31:32 AM
It is impossible for this ship to hurt anyone. The chances of it actually happening in the show are basically zero. People like it because their dynamic is interesting, their chemistry is nice, and their interactions imply that they make sense as a duo. Nobody honestly expects this to happen, which is why plenty of people do ship it. Plenty of LGBT people want to see themselves represented in their media, and this just seems like a nice little idea that sounds like fun to latch onto and make cool stuff out of.

And whether it was meant that way or not, the idea that homosexual relationships are inherently more sexual and 'adult' than heterosexual ones is a big problem that is confounding and damaging in numerous ways.

This is easily the most harmless ship imaginable. Nobody is under the illusion it will happen, it's simply something people happen to enjoy the idea of.

i just came here to have a good time and i'm feeling really attacked right now
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 01, 2014, 07:47:16 PM
What is that from? The "I'm feeling attacked right now" thing? Is it a new meme or something? Or an old meme that's been brought back?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 01, 2014, 07:49:55 PM
What is that from? The "I'm feeling attacked right now" thing? Is it a new meme or something? Or an old meme that's been brought back?
It's the ultimeme and it cannot be stopped.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 01, 2014, 08:08:23 PM
Apparently so.....But from where did it originate? Is it just from the armpit sweat of tumblr like the 'Luigi death stare'?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 01, 2014, 10:06:16 PM
Yep. It's also great for derailing conversation!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
I KNOW! But aren't most things from the internet good for that? In fact, we will most likely derail this conversation about the internet by talking about something else from the internet.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 01, 2014, 11:47:02 PM
What did you mean by 'pervert'?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cassidy Alice on July 01, 2014, 11:56:45 PM
Pervert does mean to distort. Maybe that's what he meant? ^^'
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 12:44:29 AM
That's why I'm asking him.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 02, 2014, 01:10:42 AM
Pervert does mean to distort. Maybe that's what he meant? ^^'
Yeah, that's basically what I meant. I probably shouldn't have posted that here(I was thinking clearly, but I was more just having a singular thought rather than something for everyone to question, but given that this is a forum that's bound to happen. hahaha) , and the way I said it I never actually meant to 'antagonize' anyone, but I just meant that I enjoyed their dynamic as friends and I admit that I  do find it annoying that people(mostly on tumblr. hahaha) always seem to want to make two characters of the same sex who have a strong bond, out to have a homosexual relationship. Other people can ship what they want, I suppose and  while I don't have anything against them as specific people, I don't support the "LGBT" 'movement' in any way. 

So yeah, I didn't mean any hate I literally  just meant. "while I don't pervert their relationship, I enjoy their best friend dynamic on the show." because by what I believe, Its distorting/ perverting  their relationship..


I hope that I didn't come off as aggressive or wanting to start something.    I was just answering your question. Besides, this is a place for 'Friendship! Korrasami' too, right?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 01:25:41 AM
Other people can ship what they want, I suppose and  while I don't have anything against them as specific people, I don't support the "LGBT" 'movement' in any way. 

So yeah, I didn't mean any hate I literally  just meant. "while I don't pervert their relationship, I enjoy their best friend dynamic on the show." because by what I believe, Its distorting/ perverting  their relationship..
Glad to know my assumptions were correct, thank you for clarifying.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 02, 2014, 01:30:39 AM
Other people can ship what they want, I suppose and  while I don't have anything against them as specific people, I don't support the "LGBT" 'movement' in any way. 

So yeah, I didn't mean any hate I literally  just meant. "while I don't pervert their relationship, I enjoy their best friend dynamic on the show." because by what I believe, Its distorting/ perverting  their relationship..
Glad to know my assumptions were correct, thank you for clarifying.

You're welcome. I hope I answered it nicely and clearly enough.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 01:34:14 AM
Here's to hoping that one day homosexuality won't be perceived as being in any way less moral or acceptable than heterosexuality for no good reason.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 02, 2014, 01:38:55 AM
Here's to hoping that one day homosexuality won't be perceived as being in any way less moral or acceptable than heterosexuality for no good reason.
There are plenty of good reasons, I just naturally assume  we wouldn't see  see eye to eye on those reasons because we don't share the same beliefs. That's life, I suppose.  But I digress. As I said, I obviously prefer their friendship- ship over their 'romantic' ship and I mean nothing against those that do support the latter.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 01:49:06 AM
Here's to hoping that one day homosexuality won't be perceived as being in any way less moral or acceptable than heterosexuality for no good reason.
There are plenty of good reasons, I just naturally assume  we wouldn't see  see eye to eye on those reasons.  But I digress. As I said, I obviously prefer their friendship- ship over their 'romantic' ship and I mean nothing against those that do support the latter.
I'm just curious as to what those reasons might be. If it's STIs, then there are protective measures for that. If it's biblical, then it's due to a mistranslation as a result of it being translated to English from two separate languages, as opposed to being translated directly from Greek. The original text states that 'man shall not lie with man in the bed of woman' because to have intercourse in another person's bed is uncivilized. There is a direct excerpt from the Bible wherein Jesus blesses a member of a homosexual relationship whilst performing baptisms and healings, wherein he cures him of his disease and states that their love is among the purest displays of faith he's ever seen, and makes a point to everyone present that this man with a gay lover is an exemplar of morality and faith.

So I'm really interested to know the good reasons.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aanglover on July 02, 2014, 01:54:42 AM
I ship korrasami..just not romantically...and thats completely fine.
Other people probably ship it romantically...and thats completely fine.

Everything's fine with Korrasami :3
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People just need to accept the fact that others have different beliefs one way or the other and it needs to be respected.

Personally, yeah..they'd be an awesome couple romantically (compatibility wise) but im not into that sorta thing so i dont really tend to ship same sex with same sex but I dont bismudge people who do support it. I tend to think of their relationship as bff's and thats completely fine. as well as people who ship them being lesbians/bisexual...thats completely fine. Its a personal choice and how you view them. :)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 02:12:01 AM
Asami and Korra are great on every conceivable level. They're awesome combat-partners, great friends, display some of the best communication skills and overcoming of personal issues I've ever seen between two people in a situation such as theirs, and they're just all around awesome.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Cowboy Colt on July 02, 2014, 04:13:44 AM
Av, this is that response you wanted. I'm going to put it under a block so those who don't wish to read it, don't have to. I'm just giving out what was asked of me. I'm done and I've said what I've said. I wish nothing but love and good will to those who are against me,  (by some random chance there might be someone reading this that's on my side) or with me.
 
(click to show/hide)Alright, I’m not going to drag this out, and I know no matter what I say, we’re both going to dig deeper into what we believe, and you’re not going to be satisfied what I say because you obviously put no stoxk in what I personally believe , but I’m going to make a simple statement to prove that I’m not ‘cowering’ in any way.

There are plenty of other cases where the Bible speaks out against homosexuality (which in case you were wondering, my stance is indeed from a medical, scientific, and biblical point of view.)  Jude, Verse 7 is clearly referring to that of homosexuality. “Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities  around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.”  Strange flesh referring to that of sexual deviancy.

Or even Romans 1: 22-27(which is in the new testament) says,  “Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions; for the women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.” In Paul’s writing he clearly states that acts of homosexuality are clear acts of rebellion against God’s Design and his creation of the opposite, but complimentary sexes.

So if you wish to say that the verse in Leviticus is a mistranslation, without the context of homosexuality that’s being referred to as the abomination, the verse makes no sense.  I’ve heard that case many a time even saying that the verse meant that women were not to be held on the same level as men (which that in of itself is insane. Men and women were made perfect equals and there are plenty of strong women in the bible, and the bible re-enforces that men should honor women, not oppress them. So why would anyone consider it an “abomination” to respect women, or as you said lie in an already owned bed, when going on in such places where Incest and bestiality. I assume even you agree those are wrong.), or even that of simple hospitality.  Ezekiel describes the ‘iniquitous’  and selfish society of Sodom as the perfect setting for the  abominations described multiple times about Sodom and its sister cities.  These were obviously sexual instead of  social.

Now that’s the last verse I’ll throw at you and I know since you think none of this holds any weight, I could understand why you would get tired of it. But I also believe that men and women were created to be perfect in our romantic relationships and bonds because they also represent our relationship with God. When the Bible refers to how a marriage should be run in a healthy manner, it always refers to the “husband and wife” not those of the same sex within a relationship. We are the bride and he is the groom, so to speak.

But even if I didn’t believe in God, I probably wouldn’t be for LGBT stuff either. Men and women are the only ones who can reproduce to move us forward as a race, not those of the same sex. It goes against natural laws to those of a higher mind and species.  The male and female body were made to reproduce with fewer complications through intercourse and were not constructed for anal intercourse naturally.

Those are my arguments and once again, I am fully aware that in this environment I could be making myself out to be backwards and close minded to those who are close minded.(how ironic) , when I hold no malice against those who are homosexuals. There’s a difference between knowing what’s right and wrong and judging and hating someone. As a decent person and a follower of these particular beliefs, I am to love and respect all people, but not love all ideas or beliefs. 

This is a never ending back and forth, and I am simply giving a response that you asked for. At the end of the day, you believe what you believe, and I will do the same. We just have to agree to disagree.

Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on July 02, 2014, 06:09:38 AM
(click to show/hide)There is also marriage defined as being between one man and several concubines, one man and his sibling, one man and his slave, etc. There are countless differing definitions as to what a sanctified marriage refers to in the Bible.

Romans 1 22-27 is part of Paul's speech to Roman Jews, wherein he is speaking to them about the perceived heathens, the Gentiles. This is a rhetorical part of his speech before he delivers the wham-line at the end where reveals he has been speaking of the Roman Jews, who were doing exactly the same things that the Gentiles were being condemned for. Many biblical scholars argue that entire section of his speech doesn't represent Paul’s view, but the prevailing view about Gentiles among many Jews at the time, which Paul, an apostle to the Gentiles, feels compelled to refute. He finds this condemnation problematic and thus seeks to undermine it, leading up ultimately to his similar conclusion in Romans 14:13, using strikingly similar language to that in 2:1: “Let us therefore no longer pass judgment on one another, but resolve instead never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of another.”

He is talking to a mass of religious men who commit idolatry, which they condemned Gentiles for, indecent acts (non-marital sex), which they condemned Gentiles for, who are completely unaware of their latent hypocrisy. Jesus was a man who befriended a prostitute and a tax collector, who was considered an enemy of the state for his radical tolerant views. Jesus and his apostles were a group of young men who were considered theological terrorists for considering the idea of being kind and accepting of those who fell out of line with what the establishment held to be law. Jesus healed a man's gay lover. Jesus preached praying privately and never in public, because to practice one's religion in public was to use the humbling power of religion to display superiority over others. Jesus was a radical socialist who fought against everything the establishment of the time stood for, and that's why they put him to death.

The word used by Paul in original Greek was 'Arsenokoites', which combined the root words of 'adult male' and 'bedder' which was translated by Luther as pedophiles and others as masturbators but now it's homosexuals. However, there was already a word for men who had intercourse with one another, 'androkoites'. Around 35 A.D., the Jewish philosopher Philo (an early contemporary of Paul’s) held that the Leviticus use of arsenos koiten referred to shrine prostitution, (the practice of having sex in shrines as a religious ritual) which this speech was hugely, if not entirely, about. Implying it is not homosexual relationships, but shrine prostitution, which is being decried. In addition, it's both claimed and argued against that the term 'arsenokoites' tends to occur between listings of sexual sins and social sins, which would suggest that the term originally had some sort of relationship to sexual injustice. All usages of the word found are compatible with this interpretation. In all of them, the term would easily indicate subjugation to and/or exploitation by a powerful aggressor, whether in the context of rape or of treatment of slaves (via coercive, non-procreative sex). Child molestation, anal/oral intercourse with one’s wife, and masturbation were three topics that, at different times throughout history, became associated with the word. The latest is male homosexuality. The real issue with using this scripture for the purposes of condemnation isn't even the context, it's that the word (which was created by either Paul or one of his previous teachers) in the original language is still of vague and undetermined meaning that people have been arguing over for millennia.

And even with all of this, if Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross is to be held as sanctified, then to say that homosexuality, or literally anything that is not in the Ten Commandments, is a sin is to completely disregard Jesus' sacrifice for our sins in his crucifixion. It was not just to absolve us of the punishments. The only reason it's not a sin to make a t-shirt with two different types of fabric, to cut our hair, or even to shave, is because of his crucifixion. If Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is to be considered valid, then the sins of the Old Testament not engraved in stone for the Ten Commandments are invalid. There is no gray area. To say a person is going to Hell for any of these invalid transgressions is, in Christianity, sacrilegious.

I'm not implying that you believe homosexuals to be Hell-bound, only factually stating that the idea is false in every possible way in keeping with Christianity. And with that in mind, it could also be argued the entire reason homosexuality and asexuality exist in the first place from a grander perspective is to fight off overpopulation, in such a manner that we not run out of resources with the booming population of children in need of assistance, food, nourishment, and other forms of care. By not having every person feel obligated or urged to reproduce, we solve a problem that's plagued our planet for the past several decades.

Also, to utilize the idea of being above nature to condemn homosexuality and also using nature to condemn homosexuality is a logical fallacy. To state it as being our prerogative to rise above natural urges and fight off homosexuality is undermined when one then uses the argument that it is unnatural to engage in homosexual intercourse, when such an idea is plainly wrong seeing as the vast majority of land mammals engage in homosexual intercourse. Either we are to rise above our natural tendencies of homosexuality, or the natural tendencies are not homosexual. Seeing as the latter is not true, that leaves it effectively useless as an argument. One cannot have homosexuality as being both unnatural and and a natural urge to be overcome. For the purposes of argument, it is one or the other. It cannot be both.

The idea of closed-mindedness is an interesting one. It is considered closed-minded for one to write off the validity and acceptance of the existence of an entire group of people who have innately caused harm to no one. It is also considered closed-minded for one to argue against someone who writes off the validity and acceptance of the existence of an entire group of people who have innately caused harm to no one.

Homosexuality is not a dirty word. Rape is a dirty word. Molestation is a dirty word. Murder is a dirty word. By ancient standards, idolatry was a dirty word. There is no instance of homosexuality, definitively, and not shrouded in numerous alternatives to word, meaning, or definition, being a dirty word.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on July 02, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
I ship them as BFFs. They are really compatible as buddies and besties and whatever you call a best of the best friend as.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Fenix on July 04, 2014, 08:04:04 PM
It is impossible for this ship to hurt anyone.

I never said the ship was hurting me or anyone, I'm just saying the fandom irritated me in the shipping department and Korrasami just happened to be a big part of that.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: DoubleRussia on July 15, 2014, 04:05:16 AM
Here's to hoping that one day homosexuality won't be perceived as being in any way less moral or acceptable than heterosexuality for no good reason.

You might be waiting awhile for that one.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 15, 2014, 05:39:45 PM
There's been some Korrasami bonding this season. I predict endgame.
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Since no Mako/Asami or Mako/Korra.... and all that Korra/Asami bonding sweetalking at the end

Korrasami endgame?!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on August 30, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT ENDING!?

Oh please yes let's talk about that ending :D No let's talk about the whole freaking season. (almsot cursed but I'm not on the mature board XD)

WHo was with Korra from start to Finish this season? Asami! The whole time, Always watching her back, always being there for her. Just... If there was a plot under the main plot of this season. It was Korrasami all the way. It's a shame this is probably as far as the ship will progress, but in my mind it's the ship that makes the most sense at this point.

"what about Makorra, they could get back together." besides not really caring for Mako personally (cheater pants), I don't wanna see this happen because I feel it would be Character Regression on Korra's part. She tried dating him, figured out they just weren't compatible on that level, and are better off as friends. I really really think that's some mighty fine character growth.

You could say that Borra's still in the running, but It seems like Bolin couldn't be less interested in Korra except for in a "I wanna be your best bro" kind of way.

"but.. they're not gay!" I refer you to a post on page three that says that sexuality isn't black and white. I'm nto even gonna paraphrase it. Just go read it.

Korra and Asami I think bring out the best in each otehr on all levels. They have amazing chemistry. I originally shipped this ship because it was super attractive and they had a little chemistry. I now ship this ship for the fact that it's just the best ship out there. Nothing is even on this level.

(click to show/hide)OH PS: "I hold nothing against homosexuals, but I know the difference between right and wrong"... that's holding something against homosexuals or anyone who doesn't fall into the heterosexual category. Just saying. Also usign the bible to talk about how it's bad isn't exactly a good plan A. The bible has been translated and rewritten so many times it's not even funny. Usually for the gain of white men in power. Just saying.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Reyna on August 30, 2014, 07:38:45 PM
Loving these two together, they certainly have more chemistry together than both of them ever had with Mako! :D

(click to show/hide)About the whole bible saying homosexuals are bad.. this is my one and only reply to that:

Would any Christian who uses the Bible to proof homosexuals are dirty, listen to and agree with Muslims that take quotes out of the Quran to proof something the Christians believe to be good is dirty?

I reaaaally doubt it. It's just silly how so many people/countries etc, believe their religion to have any kind of affect on the whole world on itself. It's your beliefs and your religion, not the rules of life for everyone on the planet. Your religion shouldn't be something that affects anyone but -you- and the people who share your religion.

Long story short: Sorry to break it to Christians that love to proof things with the Bible, but it's just kinda.. silly.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on August 30, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
I KNOW RIGHT!? SO much Chemistry! And it feels nice and natural. I love it. LOVE LOVE LOVE!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on August 30, 2014, 08:33:05 PM
I'd love to see more Korrasami in s4; Asami caring for Korra while she's in a wheelchair. That gives me the warm fuzzies. <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on August 30, 2014, 11:46:18 PM
Korra easily has the best chemistry and healthy interaction with Asami out of the entire Krew. They have the strongest foundation out of all of them, which considering how they came to know each other (through Mako cheating around) is both impressive and a great sign of progressive thinking and maturity on both their parts.

They're basically the only two in the group who never really acted like complete asses with regards to one another, and their dynamic is top notch.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Neomi on August 31, 2014, 12:15:04 AM
I can't wait to see this ship develop once I see the show but I'm a multishipper, so we'll see how I feel about it since I'm so clueless about the show erm. ^^;;;
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on August 31, 2014, 12:19:43 AM
I honestly do feel that htis is hte best, most stable, and most logical ship. I know that on KF I was some kinda crazy shipper person.. but Seriously this is like my Royai of Legend of Korra.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on October 10, 2014, 10:41:54 PM
Honestly I don't ship much anymore, but this is one ship I can support. I swear if Bryke actually goes down this route and makes the both of them get together, I'll worship they ground they stand on for having the balls to do so. From the way things are right now, this seems highly likely. Neither girls are compatible with Bolin or Mako, but they sure are with each other. Heck, Korra seems to trust Asami more than Mako and Bolin combined!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on October 10, 2014, 10:45:36 PM
When Korra's letter to Asami stated that she only felt comfortable relaying that information to her and not to either Mako or Bolin, my d'awws were audible.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Spot Enemy Boats on October 11, 2014, 02:22:49 AM
Asami and Korra definitely seem to have better chemistry than how either are with Mako. Asami is purest waifu.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 14, 2014, 11:18:38 AM
I like how the past several seasons it's been looking like Mako/Korra VS Mako/Asami or whatever as the "ship war" and then Book 4 happens and KORRASAMI BASHES IN LIKE A TANK
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: wherewulf on October 14, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
When Korra's letter to Asami stated that she only felt comfortable relaying that information to her and not to either Mako or Bolin, my d'awws were audible.

I felt that way, too.  :D
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: bombalurima on October 14, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
~CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS~
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Deist Zealot on October 17, 2014, 09:44:56 AM
Korra seems to be closest to Asami.  Therefore, even if they can't get away with overt Korrasami, they could still at least end it with subtext.  And if that offends the self-appointed moral guardians, so be it.

(And yeah, Makorra would be serious character regression.)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 19, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
SO

UM
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on December 19, 2014, 12:45:22 PM
YEP.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 19, 2014, 12:47:56 PM
WELP.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on December 19, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
WOKAY.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 19, 2014, 01:46:27 PM
I'm still wondering if I'm dreaming this, then I see this...

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/e3a88499cb960c5356902331c9fc512e/tumblr_ngr85lae6i1rnm9t7o3_r1_250.gif)

And I'm like:

(http://media.tumblr.com/2bfb208227d1f9c44d122bbb690240f8/tumblr_inline_ncv37m1zpt1qfgz0e.gif)

Or.....

(http://media.tumblr.com/337f78e624ded5338094ab7fc104a01b/tumblr_ngtfjwBOvq1qgeokxo1_r1_250.gif)

Because flying off into space is a much more of an epic reaction than jet propelling yourself with a fire extinguisher!

-

Please, don't mind my stupidity..... xD

On a serious note... I thought their ending was subtle, which is good enough.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 19, 2014, 04:01:57 PM
[aggressively sobs that Korrasami will never be canon]
-hands a tissue and a cake-
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: aanglover on December 19, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
I'm just........



WOWW!!!!!!!!!!! especially the hand holding...never expected that! KORRAAAASAMMIIIII!!

Although I'm not sure if Bryke wanted that to be more of a 'friendship' deal or 'romantic' I loved it non-the-less. IF they didn't want to make it seem more of a 'romantic' gesture they wouldn't have turned towards eachother and held hands as they were going into the spirit world but that's just me. they could have just walked hand in hand towards the spirit world & that would have been enough to show their friendship but again...IMO. There was certainly a lot of development between the two. From almost hating her in the first season to walking hand in hand with Asami into a new spirit portal they've come a long way. I wish it would have been all of team avatar holding hands walking into the spirit world but....I'm fine with this.

Wish we could have seen Bolin and Korra interact one last time though....that disappointed me. Korra and Mako and Korra and Asami both had some good talks towards eachother....but Bolin and Korra, yet again....had nothing. That irked me.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: bombalurima on December 19, 2014, 05:02:37 PM
I am trying to think of a way to properly articulate why the so-called Korrasami ending left such a stale taste in my mouth. I feel like that was just table scraps compared to what could have been. Was it sweet? Absolutely. Could it have been better and clearer as to what was really going on? Yes.

But is that the most we can hope for given a network like Nick? Maybe. A thought that is depressingly not surprising. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade--but as a bisexual woman, it is a tiny bit irksome to see this being triumphed as some sort of huge breakthrough in representation. It is still no small thing though, and all things considered I'm glad it happened.

Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 06:33:08 PM
I am trying to think of a way to properly articulate why the so-called Korrasami ending left such a stale taste in my mouth. I feel like that was just table scraps compared to what could have been. Was it sweet? Absolutely. Could it have been better and clearer as to what was really going on? Yes.

But is that the most we can hope for given a network like Nick? Maybe. A thought that is depressingly not surprising. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade--but as a bisexual woman, it is a tiny bit irksome to see this being triumphed as some sort of huge breakthrough in representation. It is still no small thing though, and all things considered I'm glad it happened.

Don't worry, same sex relationships are slowly (at a snail's pace really) making their way into these networks in a positive fashion. Once the older generation finally takes a backseat (or passes on) these things will be far more acceptable and shown on TV as if nothing is wrong with it (which there isn't).

Do I believe Korra and Asami like (or even love) each other like a couple would? You bet I do! You don't do what they did at the end of the episode or look at each other like they did with just a friend. Sure, girls who are just friends (typically younger and teenage girls) hold hands and such, but these two are 21 or 22 year old women. Once girls hit that age they stop being all "girly" with their friends. Hug each other? Sure. Hold hands while walking? Absolutely not, only if they are in a relationship at that age.

So points to Bryke for this! Fans probably saw this coming miles away, casual watchers? I doubt it. XD And really, casual watchers wouldn't go out of their way to watch a show online unless they were bored.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on December 19, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
BRYKE PULLED IT OFF

THEY REALLY DID

HOLY CHEEZE SANDWICH

YES

BUT WHAT IF THIS IS THE REASON LOK WAS PULLED OFF THE TV?????
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 07:27:54 PM
I honestly don't think so, but who knows. If it is... Well, oh well. I don't have a TV service anyway, so I'm happy that they put it online.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Crystle on December 19, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
I doubt that's why they pulled it off. I really think they just weren't getting enough views, because of their poor advertising. Self-fulfilling prophecy there.

Anyway, I'm okay with this. Like I'm not emotionally invested in the show anymore, so I see it and I'm like "heck yeah :DDD"
It's a good ship! Still my favorite! Glad it happened.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Waterbender16 on December 19, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
I was afraid this would happen...
I just finished watching the finale, and why was I so darn sure I'd see a thread for this shipping?
I'm adressing to the people who did (not the ones who uploaded) the more... "inappropriate" fanart... And no offense for those who like this ship, I'm just explaining my opinion.
Why do fans always have to pair girls as a love affair?!?!? Grow up, people, there is such a thing called friendship between two people of the same sex! They did the same thing in Scooby's latest show with Velma and Hot Dog Water.
Why doesn't anybody say anything about Bolin and Mako saying "I love you" to each other? Yes, they're brothers, you don't know how many times siblings say this to each other, and I'm not implying anything more on the two of them. I liked this bond they have, I wish I had it too, but I got a sister.  I wanna have an older bro to whom I can look up, with whom I can exchange fist bumps and have fun, I just want that now that I know what brothers act like.
But why do we jsut leave this brother bond and pay attention to a pure girl friendship?
You know, just because they held hands, it doesn't mean absolutely anything!!
I'm adressing now to all girls in this forum (either you support Korrasami or not): have you ever had such a bond with a female friend of yours? Some people I know do have such friendships. And you don't know how many times they hold hands, how many times they hug, how many times they kiss on the cheeks and so on.
Korra and Asami are two friends, each with their own problems. Korra has been through so much, Asami just lost her father, she actually has no one in this world! She's got no parents and, it seems, no other relatives. People with such emotional trauma tend to develop strong relationships with other girls, especially if they sympathise in any.
I'm a huge supporter of Makorra, and yes, I was truly disappointed not to see this ship evolving.

P.S. Just to clarify, I have no problem with such relationships in real life, but come on, why dump this great show with such an ending?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 09:26:25 PM
I don't always pair girls together actually. I'm more of a Yaoi fan than a Yuri, but Korra and Asami are exceptions. Plus I ship all kinds of ships, doesn't matter who or what it is. I'm also a huge Kataang fangirl and always have been since ATLA started.

To be honest, I never was a fan of Makorra. There was just this tension between them that Korra and Asami don't have. I'll be honest with you, when I first watched LoK, I always got this "homosexual" vibe from Korra and Asami. Or at least bisexual vibe if nothing else. It explains a lot to me, lol.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on December 19, 2014, 09:53:28 PM
I literally never shipped a same-sex pairing before Korrasami.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 19, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
I was afraid this would happen...
I just finished watching the finale, and why was I so darn sure I'd see a thread for this shipping?
I'm adressing to the people who did (not the ones who uploaded) the more... "inappropriate" fanart... And no offense for those who like this ship, I'm just explaining my opinion.
Why do fans always have to pair girls as a love affair?!?!? Grow up, people, there is such a thing called friendship between two people of the same sex! They did the same thing in Scooby's latest show with Velma and Hot Dog Water.
Why doesn't anybody say anything about Bolin and Mako saying "I love you" to each other? Yes, they're brothers, you don't know how many times siblings say this to each other, and I'm not implying anything more on the two of them. I liked this bond they have, I wish I had it too, but I got a sister.  I wanna have an older bro to whom I can look up, with whom I can exchange fist bumps and have fun, I just want that now that I know what brothers act like.
But why do we jsut leave this brother bond and pay attention to a pure girl friendship?
You know, just because they held hands, it doesn't mean absolutely anything!!
I'm adressing now to all girls in this forum (either you support Korrasami or not): have you ever had such a bond with a female friend of yours? Some people I know do have such friendships. And you don't know how many times they hold hands, how many times they hug, how many times they kiss on the cheeks and so on.
Korra and Asami are two friends, each with their own problems. Korra has been through so much, Asami just lost her father, she actually has no one in this world! She's got no parents and, it seems, no other relatives. People with such emotional trauma tend to develop strong relationships with other girls, especially if they sympathise in any.
I'm a huge supporter of Makorra, and yes, I was truly disappointed not to see this ship evolving.

P.S. Just to clarify, I have no problem with such relationships in real life, but come on, why dump this great show with such an ending?
It's absolutely ridiculous that this is the argument cropping up again and again from people who don't care about representing real people in media. They go on and on for hours about how just because two people are close it doesn't make them in love, acting like the idea that that can be shown in media is just so rare and special, completely ignoring the fact that publicly showing that two people of the same sex who are close can also actually have romantic feelings for one another is actually really rare in media which isn't explicitly created for that purpose.

Implying that two female characters are actually romantically inclined with one another does not 'dump' the ending. Their implied romantic feelings do not spoil or tarnish the show. The apparent lack of buildup? Problematic, sure. The lack of decisiveness in regards to being direct or working purely on implication? Fine. But their becoming canon as a couple does not degrade the show in any way.

If you were afraid this would happen, then your expectations are considerably more optimistic about the possibility of this happening than the vast majority of LGBT fans who never would've gotten their hopes up to begin with that this would be a remote possibility. People have been justifying themselves for years, talking about how this was 'just a harmless fandom thing that we don't have any illusions about being possible' and that they 'know it won't be possible but we just like the idea of having something that can represent us at all'. Nobody else was considering this being a possibility. Nobody else even allowed themselves to hope that it would. This one tiny (and, as noted, barely even qualifying) victory is not nearly as great a disservice to you as it is a service to the LGBT community, and even that's a rather small one, considering.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
I think if the third and fourth season had more episodes (say... 15-20 a piece) I think we would have had more build-up with their relationship. As it stands, we didn't and they had to save any relationships for last to keep the main plots of the seasons going without interruption. They had no choice really.

With ATLA, they had 20 (21 for the 3rd season) episodes from which they could build character's relationships, whether romantic or just friendship, along with progressing the plot of each season. LoK never had that luxury.

Hopefully if they make comics, they finally expand on character development and delve more into relationships, which I have a feeling they will because of a lack of room to do so in the show.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 19, 2014, 10:11:30 PM
From what I've gathered, only their voice actresses knew. Apparently a person working on the storyboards said that those final shots weren't planned out, and he had no idea that was going to happen.

Mike and Bryan slipped this in at the last second and just barely got it through.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: bombalurima on December 19, 2014, 10:18:30 PM
^ No kidding? Geez, and it was only an implication.

Quote (selected)
I'm adressing now to all girls in this forum (either you support Korrasami or not): have you ever had such a bond with a female friend of yours?

Yeah, that was pretty much how I found out I was bi.

Not that female friendship isn't good and important. It is. But so is even the hint of a romantic relationship between two women on a show still largely aimed for kids.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on December 19, 2014, 10:29:12 PM
I'm adressing now to all girls in this forum (either you support Korrasami or not): have you ever had such a bond with a female friend of yours?
Honestly, never. I see this mostly in younger girls 14-15. However, it's not uncommon for "girl" friends to kiss each other (on the lips) these days - however stare longing into each other's eyes? Not something I have personally experienced.

I am so happy for these ladies. My personal thoughts on Makorra were that they were not ever going to be practical in a relationship the pair of them are too hotheaded and too selfish - not the right foundation for a relationship.

I won't lie. I barely shipped during Korra. At first I enjoyed Makorra - it was cute, but then dysfunctional. I found myself enjoying that Korra was on her own for awhile. I always thought Korrasami was cute, I enjoyed the little hints across the season, however I didn't even entertain the idea of it becoming canon. EVER. AND WOAH. I'm so glad it did.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 10:36:49 PM
^ No kidding? Geez, and it was only an implication.

Quote (selected)
I'm adressing now to all girls in this forum (either you support Korrasami or not): have you ever had such a bond with a female friend of yours?

Yeah, that was pretty much how I found out I was bi.

Not that female friendship isn't good and important. It is. But so is even the hint of a romantic relationship between two women on a show still largely aimed for kids.

I honestly think the show stopped being for kids and was more for the fans when 3rd season came around. A kid's show doesn't get put online only after a certain part of a season. Korra took a rather violent turn with the showing of death and all that.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Blue Flame on December 19, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
I'm glad Makorra wasn't endgame, because I really don't think they suit each other. But Korrasami didn't seem quite right to me either -- for different reasons though. I understand the difficulties: lack of time, only being able to show/imply so much on television, etc, but it just felt rather... underdeveloped to me? It almost seemed unbelievable in that way. Not because it was a same-sex ship, but because there wasn't much plot backing it up.

I understand the restraints though. I guess what saddens me the most is the fact they didn't get the chance to develop it more in the show to really make it believable (at least that's how it seemed to me).
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Rotkehlchen on December 19, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
Rule #2 for extreme fandoming: Force your Headcanon into the Canon.

If you want to see things, you'll see them. You want Korrasami to be a romantic relationship? No problem. You want them as friends? Go for it. You dont think it's possible? Let me try: Asami just lost her father, she is sad, maybe lost, confused and helpless. And than Korra appears to help her, take her hand and lead her. Physically and symbolically. Asami needs somebody close to her, someone who is there if she wants to talk, someone to "hold her". As a friend.

Easy as that. I'm ok with the final, I dont have a problem with Korrasam, might be because I don't ship at all.

Also, I thought that I left all this LGBT behind me but it seems there is no escape.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 19, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
I'm glad Makorra wasn't endgame, because I really don't think they suit each other. But Korrasami didn't seem quite right to me either -- for different reasons though. I understand the difficulties: lack of time, only being able to show/imply so much on television, etc, but it just felt rather... underdeveloped to me? It almost seemed unbelievable in that way. Not because it was a same-sex ship, but because there wasn't much plot backing it up.

I understand the restraints though. I guess what saddens me the most is the fact they didn't get the chance to develop it more in the show to really make it believable (at least that's how it seemed to me).

Well, there's always fanfiction to fill in the gaps of the missing development... If there ARE any like that, lol.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Blue Flame on December 19, 2014, 11:06:08 PM
I'm glad Makorra wasn't endgame, because I really don't think they suit each other. But Korrasami didn't seem quite right to me either -- for different reasons though. I understand the difficulties: lack of time, only being able to show/imply so much on television, etc, but it just felt rather... underdeveloped to me? It almost seemed unbelievable in that way. Not because it was a same-sex ship, but because there wasn't much plot backing it up.

I understand the restraints though. I guess what saddens me the most is the fact they didn't get the chance to develop it more in the show to really make it believable (at least that's how it seemed to me).

Well, there's always fanfiction to fill in the gaps of the missing development... If there ARE any like that, lol.

Haha, true that. I used to write fanfiction... don't have much time for it anymore. XD I honestly don't even really ship Korra with anybody; I was more or less disappointed with the lack of development for the ship Bryke did choose to go with for Korra in the end.

My OTP for LOK is definitely Zhurrick. And that turned out way better than I could've imagined, so I'm happy. XD; (Is there even a Zhurrick topic for tkc? I haven't noticed...)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Spot Enemy Boats on December 20, 2014, 01:26:06 AM
I wonder what happened in their little "vacation" in the spirit world. :p
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 20, 2014, 01:35:33 AM
I wonder what happened in their little "vacation" in the spirit world. :p

"It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes!"

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r257/iggychan444/The_Awesome_Face_Background_by_DaPhinoXX_zpscb3a7518.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 20, 2014, 02:20:00 AM
Why is no one in here? D:

As the resident slasher I remedy this!

(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/156/e/1/e173e43d86e669677bd4a14e1039c0c6-d52fqvq.jpg)

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/232/7/a/korrasami_1_by_le_feline-d5bsntf.jpg)

(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/307/4/4/girl__look_at_that_body_by_k_y_h_u-d5jvb5i.jpg)

Joking aside, I really do actually support this ship. I wish it were possible to be canon. I've read some incredible fic that made me cry.


AND NOW IT'S CANON

I'M NOW AN OFFICIAL PART OF TEAM "CALLED IT"
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 20, 2014, 02:24:39 AM
Harley's got that hipster-level Korrasami streetcred.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 20, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I couldn't have Gay!Zuko but I gladly accept Bisexual!Korra/Asami.

SO MUCH BOOBIETOUCHING

THEY NOW OFFICIALLY TOUCH BOOBS

THEY TOUCH THEM
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Spot Enemy Boats on December 20, 2014, 02:30:25 AM
My favorite type of magic, lesbomancy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBa2qzBW80)!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 20, 2014, 02:43:12 AM
My favorite type of magic, lesbomancy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBa2qzBW80)!
The accent is what really made that amazing.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 20, 2014, 02:44:21 AM
My favorite type of magic, lesbomancy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBa2qzBW80)!

LOL! XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 20, 2014, 02:57:08 AM
~gives Massive High Fives to Harley!~ We are seriously awesome!

All the Korrasami shippers are awesome. We were told all this time that it was a crack ship, that it'd never happen. "They're just friends!" the non-believers cried. "You are just seeing thigns that aren't really there" otehres would say.

But we knew. Oh we Fscking knew.

(http://media.tumblr.com/12e03ab8c0392c20da08cf8c1ea43c6b/tumblr_inline_ngtw4ylaho1t51mwf.jpg)

we knew

(http://media.tumblr.com/2967106c7baf30aa61b3b15785b7d50e/tumblr_inline_ngtw5tVroV1t51mwf.jpg)

the whole

(http://media.tumblr.com/c501f0f30be851f1ff2b86c299374322/tumblr_inline_ngtw6c6cjE1t51mwf.jpg)

damn

(http://media.tumblr.com/d43336a7e55f315ea6127c177f9e8b95/tumblr_inline_ngtw7yYTlb1t51mwf.jpg)

time

(http://media.tumblr.com/6ee4231dd5778f46605375f64e523133/tumblr_inline_ngtw8ize0Q1t51mwf.jpg)

and you can't take it away from us

(http://media.tumblr.com/421dbc724d14642598a022368dfdebd8/tumblr_inline_ngtw9bvMUt1t51mwf.jpg)

or claim that it was rushed and forced

(http://media.tumblr.com/52c427610222c45af416ce3dce2eafe7/tumblr_inline_ngtw9zaSSR1t51mwf.jpg)

when it was there in front of you, the whole time

(http://media.tumblr.com/fdbf90b97e644f5a127ec34c567074b0/tumblr_inline_ngtwamc2KI1t51mwf.jpg)

Korrasami is Canon and I freaking love it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Spot Enemy Boats on December 20, 2014, 02:59:27 AM
My favorite type of magic, lesbomancy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBa2qzBW80)!
The accent is what really made that amazing.

Dwarves are awesome, especially in the witcher.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 20, 2014, 03:02:43 AM
~gives Massive High Fives to Harley!~ We are seriously awesome!

All the Korrasami shippers are awesome. We were told all this time that it was a crack ship, that it'd never happen. "They're just friends!" the non-believers cried. "You are just seeing thigns that aren't really there" otehres would say.

But we knew. Oh we Fscking knew.

(click to show/hide)(http://media.tumblr.com/12e03ab8c0392c20da08cf8c1ea43c6b/tumblr_inline_ngtw4ylaho1t51mwf.jpg)

we knew

(http://media.tumblr.com/2967106c7baf30aa61b3b15785b7d50e/tumblr_inline_ngtw5tVroV1t51mwf.jpg)

the whole

(http://media.tumblr.com/c501f0f30be851f1ff2b86c299374322/tumblr_inline_ngtw6c6cjE1t51mwf.jpg)

damn

(http://media.tumblr.com/d43336a7e55f315ea6127c177f9e8b95/tumblr_inline_ngtw7yYTlb1t51mwf.jpg)

time

(http://media.tumblr.com/6ee4231dd5778f46605375f64e523133/tumblr_inline_ngtw8ize0Q1t51mwf.jpg)

and you can't take it away from us

(http://media.tumblr.com/421dbc724d14642598a022368dfdebd8/tumblr_inline_ngtw9bvMUt1t51mwf.jpg)

or claim that it was rushed and forced

(http://media.tumblr.com/52c427610222c45af416ce3dce2eafe7/tumblr_inline_ngtw9zaSSR1t51mwf.jpg)

when it was there in front of you, the whole time

(http://media.tumblr.com/fdbf90b97e644f5a127ec34c567074b0/tumblr_inline_ngtwamc2KI1t51mwf.jpg)

Korrasami is Canon and I freaking love it.

Wow, were all those from season 3 and 4? I did notice quite a shift in their relationship in season 3, but those pics prove it really.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 20, 2014, 03:04:42 AM
~gives Massive High Fives to Harley!~ We are seriously awesome!

All the Korrasami shippers are awesome. We were told all this time that it was a crack ship, that it'd never happen. "They're just friends!" the non-believers cried. "You are just seeing thigns that aren't really there" otehres would say.

But we knew. Oh we Fscking knew.

(click to show/hide)(http://media.tumblr.com/12e03ab8c0392c20da08cf8c1ea43c6b/tumblr_inline_ngtw4ylaho1t51mwf.jpg)

we knew

(http://media.tumblr.com/2967106c7baf30aa61b3b15785b7d50e/tumblr_inline_ngtw5tVroV1t51mwf.jpg)

the whole

(http://media.tumblr.com/c501f0f30be851f1ff2b86c299374322/tumblr_inline_ngtw6c6cjE1t51mwf.jpg)

damn

(http://media.tumblr.com/d43336a7e55f315ea6127c177f9e8b95/tumblr_inline_ngtw7yYTlb1t51mwf.jpg)

time

(http://media.tumblr.com/6ee4231dd5778f46605375f64e523133/tumblr_inline_ngtw8ize0Q1t51mwf.jpg)

and you can't take it away from us

(http://media.tumblr.com/421dbc724d14642598a022368dfdebd8/tumblr_inline_ngtw9bvMUt1t51mwf.jpg)

or claim that it was rushed and forced

(http://media.tumblr.com/52c427610222c45af416ce3dce2eafe7/tumblr_inline_ngtw9zaSSR1t51mwf.jpg)

when it was there in front of you, the whole time

(http://media.tumblr.com/fdbf90b97e644f5a127ec34c567074b0/tumblr_inline_ngtwamc2KI1t51mwf.jpg)

Korrasami is Canon and I freaking love it.

Wow, were all those from season 3 and 4? I did notice quite a shift in their relationship in season 3, but those pics prove it really.


Actually all those were from the entire show from book 1 to book 4.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 20, 2014, 03:08:31 AM
Well dang! I haven't watched seasons 1 and 2 for a long time, so I didn't recognize the images, lol!

To be honest though, I never got much of a feeling from them in seasons 1 and 2. In 1, Korra and Asami were... Enemies...? Sort of? At least until the end of the season.

Season 2 they were apart from each other for 99% of the entire season, they barely saw each other.

Season 3 is where it began really. But of course plot took priority, so we didn't get much development. Hardly at all actually... Romance for the main character, Korra, took a backseat for 2 and a half seasons, then all of a sudden at the end of the show we finally get to see something and it turns out she became either Bisexual or Homosexual. Nice sudden transition Bryke, thanks. XD But we fans are happy at least, ha.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 20, 2014, 03:31:31 AM
To be honest though, I never got much of a feeling from them in seasons 1 and 2. In 1, Korra and Asami were... Enemies...? Sort of? At least until the end of the season.
Not really. Hell, half the reason this ship started was because they didn't have a lot of animosity between them and handled their ordeal with Mako like rational adults and thus had the most reasonable interactions out of the entire Krew at that point. They pretty much were chill as soon as they got on speaking terms, which was like a breath of fresh air from all of the unnecessary petty romantic conflict of season 1.

The collective reaction was essentially "OH THANK GOD Bryke isn't milking this part for drama, they're not at each others throats over something that was Mako's fault." xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 20, 2014, 03:36:24 AM
Can we please give Mako a little thanks for introducing these two lovely ladies to each other?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 20, 2014, 03:36:53 AM
Can we please give Mako a little thanks for introducing these two lovely ladies to each other?
He certainly had good taste, I'll give him that.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 20, 2014, 03:37:17 AM
Ah. I only ever watched a few select episodes more than once out of the entire show, so I don't remember too much from it. XD ATLA though, I remember each and every episode quite well.

Fans wanted Korrasami? Fans GOT Korrasami. Plus I think it was a big FU to Nickelodeon. Wouldn't surprise me.

Can we please give Mako a little thanks for introducing these two lovely ladies to each other?

Sure! *Gives Mako a loud round of applause*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 20, 2014, 06:20:31 AM
I wonder what happened in their little "vacation" in the spirit world. :p

Here's a small idea of what happened: My Fan Fiction (http://the-blue-dragon-lord.deviantart.com/art/The-Kiss-501164952)

Don't worry, I don't write NSFW stuff. xD


But, after that is anyone's guess/headcanon...

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/7976ebe69f461d5aba3ff5b1942c7178/tumblr_inline_ngudm2m6PK1t3vrpd.png)

LOL!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on December 20, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
I literally never shipped a same-sex pairing before Korrasami.
Me as well.

I'm a canon shipper. I usually just go by what canon says and ship it. but for some reason, I never ship Makorra, nor Masami.
 I didn't think I was gonna ship any ship in Korra.

Then Book3

Then I ship Korrasami. I tell myself I was crack-shipping. And didn't have any real hope for this ship to develop into anything more than platonic BFF love. Which, I'd be content if it ends like that as well.

Then book 4 happened.

then I could never stop shipping them and I thought I was going crazy. no, this can't be happening, I am not a fannon shipper I never ship anything non-canon this feels weird my sense of canon is compromised no no n o

then the finale.

I am pleasantly surprised.

My sense of canon-shipping is not compromised after all!  XDDDD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 21, 2014, 02:06:43 AM
So I've watched that ending scene over and over and over again analyzing it and making connections between it and the ATLA ending.

My conclusion? It's way to much of a parallel to the ending of ATLA to be a coincidence. Not to mention the close-ups that happen that are nearly the same type of close-ups between Aang and Katara at the end of ATLA.

There's a hug in both? Yep.
Hand holding? Only in Korra, but that's their substitute for kissing I believe.
They look at each other and smile without turning their bodies? Yep.
They turn to  face each other and stare into each other's eyes (and in Aang and Katara's case, that leads to a kiss)? Yep!
Camera pans in and upward into the words "The End" in Chinese? Yep!
The love song? Kind of subtle in Korra's case, but still there, so yep!
They were alone? Yep!
They look off into the distance? Yep!

So to finish the conclusion... Definitely a romantic ending that parallels the ATLA ending very well (without the kiss unfortunately). Those things I posted above are definitely not coincidences. Besides, why didn't they invite Mako and Bolin along for their "vacation" if it wasn't supposed to be a "date" hm? Plus Asami was more concerned about losing Korra than Mako and Bolin. Her words, not mine. She never mentions she was worried about losing the other two who are also her friends, so what does that tell you?

Way to go Bryke, I salute you!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on December 21, 2014, 02:54:51 AM
Yeah, Tiger, I also only ship what could conceivably happen in canon and I have never yet been wrong XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: WaterLady on December 21, 2014, 03:51:40 AM
this post is long but worth the read, and explains things really well

http://heartlighting.tumblr.com/post/105606009782/final-bows-or-korrasami-is-canon-because
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 21, 2014, 04:09:29 AM
this post is long but worth the read, and explains things really well

http://heartlighting.tumblr.com/post/105606009782/final-bows-or-korrasami-is-canon-because

Well that makes a lot of sense! I never knew about all of that, ha! Also a good read too. XD

Hold the phone, hold the fricken phone! I just noticed that after the look at each other and grab hands, they walk into the portal while still gazing at each other! Then they turn to face each other while reaching out and holding their other hands. DANG! The things you notice when watching a scene multiple times eh?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 21, 2014, 08:44:24 PM
I didn't notice that, intentionally or not, the night sky as they looked at the portal from air temple island was the colors of the Bisexual flag
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 22, 2014, 03:46:24 AM
So I've been reading some Korrasami fics and I've noticed authors apply how our world currently views homosexuality to the Avatar world. They fail to realize that the Avatar world is different than ours and homosexuality might be fully acceptable in their world. We won't know because Bryke couldn't full on address it, but it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on December 22, 2014, 04:07:46 AM
So I've been reading some Korrasami fics and I've noticed authors apply how our world currently views homosexuality to the Avatar world. They fail to realize that the Avatar world is different than ours and homosexuality might be fully acceptable in their world. We won't know because Bryke couldn't full on address it, but it's a possibility.
It's hard to say what their world's views. In one view maybe they are somewhat like our own unfortunately as there has been no gay couples represented before now (even in background characters) however, they wouldn't have really been allowed to do that... So the theories invalid really.

No way of knowing unfortunately.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on December 22, 2014, 04:11:20 AM
I hate when people ignore the culture of the canon world and write fanfics with 2000's American mind frames.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 22, 2014, 04:12:00 AM
Well I didn't say for sure, I just said "might" and that Bryke couldn't explore it. If the show was made several years into the future? Most likely yes, but not today. *Sigh* Ah well. I still like to say it's different anyway. *Shrug*

I hate when people ignore the culture of the canon world and write fanfics with 2000's American mind frames.

Yes, that's so annoying. Oh and British people writing Avatar fics. *Smacks forehead* You don't even want to know.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: WaterLady on December 23, 2014, 01:08:43 AM
Mike and Bryan confirm: Korrasami is canon!

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace

http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Crystle on December 23, 2014, 01:18:09 AM
Those are such wonderful posts, how great.

I especially loved this from Bryan:

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There is the inevitable reaction, “Mike and Bryan just caved in to the fans.” Well, which fans? There were plenty of Makorra shippers out there, so if we had gone back on our decision and gotten those characters back together, would that have meant we caved in to those fans instead? Either direction we went, there would inevitably be a faction that was elated and another that was devastated. Trust me, I remember Kataang vs. Zutara. But one of those directions is going to be the one that feels right to us, and Mike and I have always made both Avatar and Korra for us, first and foremost. We are lucky that so many other people around the world connect with these series as well. Tahno playing trombone––now that was us caving in to the fans!

Like i see that argument a lot, and I'm not even in the fandom anymore! Nicely said.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
O.O Excuse me while I pass out.

Wow, I can't believe they actually confirmed it! I am so glad they did! :D Now I'm going to have to go back and watch season 3 and 4 all over again like Bryan suggested.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 23, 2014, 02:22:58 AM
This part of Bryan's post.

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Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one’s own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from.

They are not perfect, but I can say with confidence I am proud that my childhood was in their hands.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Black Box on December 23, 2014, 02:41:09 AM
This is Awesome! Even Bryke confirmed it. I am definitely using this holiday to cover season 3& 4 again. I think i can never forget  it, just the way bryke wanted it to carve this beautiful moment into us. Thank you bryke for this amazing finale.
Thanks a lot Waterlady for sharing this. Now i can die peacefully.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 02:58:59 AM
I'm actually just shocked that Nick (which I assume is what he meant by "network") was supportive of it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 23, 2014, 03:30:50 AM
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However, I think there needs to be a counterpart to Miyazaki’s sentiment: Just because two characters of the same sex appear in the same story, it should not preclude the possibility of a romance between them. No, not everyone is queer, but the other side of that coin is that not everyone is straight. The more Korra and Asami’s relationship progressed, the more the idea of a romance between them organically blossomed for us. However, we still operated under this notion, another “unwritten rule,” that we would not be allowed to depict that in our show. So we alluded to it throughout the second half of the series, working in the idea that their trajectory could be heading towards a romance.

and

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I love how their relationship arc took its time, through kindness and caring. If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.



(https://31.media.tumblr.com/7d58aae695470e68145f6290a1106101/tumblr_inline_mqnvpiJtfk1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Free_Spirit on December 23, 2014, 05:48:37 AM
I am so happy that Korrasami is canon! I had a feeling that this might happen since the Book 3: Change finale,and started shipping them . Korra fully recovering and Korrasami at the very end made the series finale wonderful!

I'm not gay or bisexual, but this is definitely a historical event: they are the first canon same sex couple in Nickelodeon history. It's about time, too : it IS the end of 2014,after all! :D

Korrasami is canon,and bigots and non canon shippers just gotta deal with it! :D
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 23, 2014, 06:24:40 AM
Like, omg I am so happy right now! I started shipping them in season 3 and then that finale woo heck yeah! But now it's even more legit, it's actually confirmed by Bryke and it's not just heavily implied anymore ahhh! <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Atari on December 23, 2014, 06:29:40 AM
korrasami is love

korrasami is life

other than that i have no clue what's going on so that's rad

peace
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Korra and Asami are two friends

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6eea4b12584ae339547fefa015c4d630/tumblr_inline_nh0vvygoeo1r36czr.gif)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Seluna on December 23, 2014, 06:48:33 AM
I saw this thought somewhere else, but I think the importance behind it is solid. Think about what Asami is defined by - progress and innovation. The series finishes out with Korra holding hands with the future and that's simply beautiful. <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 23, 2014, 06:49:45 AM
I saw this thought somewhere else, but I think the importance behind it is solid. Think about what Asami is defined by - progress and innovation. The series finishes out with Korra holding hands with the future and that's simply beautiful. <3
That was beautiful, Seluna <3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 23, 2014, 06:50:48 AM
korrasami is love

korrasami is life

other than that i have no clue what's going on so that's rad

peace
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Korra and Asami are two friends

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6eea4b12584ae339547fefa015c4d630/tumblr_inline_nh0vvygoeo1r36czr.gif)

Two friends who are also lovers, heck yeah.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 06:56:38 AM
Hey, there's nothing wrong with your lover being your best friend. Actually, that makes the relationship even better!

Btw, can I seriously just punch my friend in the face? I showed him those Tumblr posts after he said that the finale was ambiguous and now he's all like "well I'm not watching this show anymore nor am I gonna support it". >.> I hate to be mean, but I effing hate bigots and homophobes.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 23, 2014, 07:02:20 AM
I agree! I'm best friends with my boyfriend! :3c

And ugh same -_-
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 07:12:34 AM
Actually this is what he told me on Skype:

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the ending didn't actually imply a serious relationship as badly as the reviews say it did, so im happy

At that I linked him to the Tumblr posts...

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aaaand that first post just threw the entire ending down the drain for me

I would warn white about this, but im sure she already knows because of tumblr, and is avoiding the entire episode because of it

White is a girl he's obsessed with.

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oh well. at least we still have the last airbender series to re-watch whenever we're bored~

Soooooooo, you're still supporting the creators one way or another. Guess he didn't realize that, heh.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on December 23, 2014, 07:25:33 AM
Mike and Bryan confirm: Korrasami is canon!

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace

http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis

I HAVE LET GO OF MY EARTHLY TETHER
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 23, 2014, 08:22:26 AM
I'm glad it's finally confirmed by them, even though the show's ending was enough confirmation for me. Maybe this can put to rest all the denial and bickering that's been transpiring in the last few days.

(http://piandao.org/screenshots/fire/fire11/fire11-1318.jpg)

LOL... Anyway, what Bryan said on his Tumblr made a lot of sense to me. Being hetero myself, I would've never understood others who weren't until I grew up more. I've came across people from all over the world on the sites that I've been on and many of them are LBG. I don't judge them and the ones I've known through fan sites and fandoms are nice people. I don't think love should have any gender, the same as I don't think it should have specific credence or racial boundaries.

From the earlier discussion, on here... I don't see why the Avatar World should be bound by our earthly tethers, so to speak... Sorry, I couldn't find a better way to word that without Zaheer coming to mind. xD If Raava is considered a chief spirit (or even a deity) in their lore and doesn't have any issue with Korra's sexuality, then neither should anyone else.

Raava is Love!

With shipping aside, you can see that they are in love and are also the best of friends. They've been through so much together. Asami did have Korra's back and wasn't afraid to fight by her side against powerful benders. Korra did confide in Asami over those years, though those letters. It doesn't take a shipper to have foreseen this from Book 3.

I still can't believe it's actually canon because of Nickelodeon's apparent stance on the subject, but I'm happy that it is! :D

Well, enough of my babble... Here's a cute Korrasami that I found on Tumblr! ^_^

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/e6509b28be10fe3d958777bf6439018e/tumblr_nh0upjzZp41rcums4o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on December 23, 2014, 11:18:11 AM
Now that it's confirmed, i'm gonna rewatch it without a heterolens. XD Of course it pretty awesome they did it but it's probably more of a cultural thing that I didn't immediatly pick up on it, being openly gay or as i like to call it openly being a person who loves another person is less of a big deal to deal with here. The most succesful couples i know are same-sex so if anyone's doing something wrong it's probably my team.
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Now looking back on some scenes, I do see it. It's subtle at first but it's definitely there. And in this season it probably was already canon from the first episode.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 23, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
Hey, there's nothing wrong with your lover being your best friend. Actually, that makes the relationship even better!

Btw, can I seriously just punch my friend in the face? I showed him those Tumblr posts after he said that the finale was ambiguous and now he's all like "well I'm not watching this show anymore nor am I gonna support it". >.> I hate to be mean, but I effing hate bigots and homophobes.


I'm going out homophobe bashing... with a hammer if you wanna come with :D

I seem to be all about hammers these days. I'm sure in a few months I'll move on to a different kind of bludgeoning tool but for now.. hammers.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on December 23, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
I'm actually just shocked that Nick (which I assume is what he meant by "network") was supportive of it.
This.
so much.

Also there are someone who-I-call-a-friend-but-I'm-not-sure-anymore person. She made a loooooooooooong rant about why Bryke is a poor romance writer and she didn't even like Kataang and Korrasami felt forced into the last minute. I didn't read it. She's a strict certain-religious person. Of course she's wearing a hetero-lens. And she's denying it.

I'm just gonna stay in my happy world. Where everyone's happy. And Korrasami is unquestionably canon.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 06:38:03 PM
@The-Blue-Dragon-Lord: That picture made me LOL! XXDD

Speaking of cute Korrasami pictures, I have an idea for one that someone could try and draw if they want (because I can't draw to save my life).

Korra and Asami are sitting on top of a hill (or cliff edge, whichever you prefer) with their backs to us looking down into a valley (can be trees or flowers or whatever) where they are spirits roaming around. Korra is leaning against Asami with her head on Asami's shoulder and her body at an angle with her legs tucked under her. Asami has her arm wrapped around her and has her head resting against Korra's. You can put Asami in whatever sitting position you want.

I think it would be an adorable picture. ^_^ It's supposed to take place in the Spirit World by the way.

Oh and I was looking through seasons 3 and 4 through a hetero-lens as well because I was not expecting them to go that route.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 23, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
I looked at both seasons through a homo lens the entire time and it was really obvious.

A lot of people said Asami and Korra's argument at their reunion due to Korra's being gone was really choppy and out of the blue, but it makes total sense in a romantic context.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 23, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
Ah, it makes sense! Makes me wonder though... Did they have a relationship the whole time and were hiding it?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: sparkstoaflame on December 23, 2014, 07:33:08 PM
//do you remember when it was a crackship in Book 1

do you guys remember

<3
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 23, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
Ah, it makes sense! Makes me wonder though... Did they have a relationship the whole time and were hiding it?
There's something about "Don't tell Mako and Bolin I only write to you" that really gives this feeling that it slowly developed over that time. She only really felt comfortable talking to Asami about her issues and thoughts and feelings for that three year period, and I think with all of those things in mind, this all comes together to make perfect sense in a logical conclusion sort of way. Personally, I think Korra was surprised more than anything else at first that Asami was the only one she trusted implicitly in her darkest hours. The fact that they were there for each other even when everybody else was mostly detached says a lot about their relationship on a deeper level. You can only pour your heart out to somebody for so long until the level of trust reaches a higher plane, and I think theirs happened to reach a romantic one.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: bombalurima on December 23, 2014, 10:38:37 PM
I don't think they were keeping a relationship hidden that whole time...I think the ending scene was just an affirmation of what had been building all along. That was the start of it, but it had been coming the whole time.

Anyway. I haven't watched much of the last season at all (or barely any of season 3, if I remember right) but I'm actually tempted to do so now with some shipping goggles on.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: jtav on December 24, 2014, 04:17:09 AM
Hi. New here.

I was watching a compilation of Korrasam moments. One thing that strikes me is how comfortable they are with each other. No just in sharing the big emotional emotional moments of Book 4. They tease. They show off for each other. And, okay, the big emotional moments. After so many shows where the writers think romances mean the couple must alternately fight and stammer, Korrasami was really refreshing. I remember sitting at my computer watching "Long Live the Queen" and snarking "Oh just kiss already" because they just clicked so well. Of course it would never happen. Same-sex romance on a Nick show? The blush was just more teasing from the writers. I was absolutely floored when I saw the spoilers. Very pleasantly floored. But the hug, embracing as they headed into the unknown.

I've never been much of a slasher. But it's so obvious these two love each other. Now that love turns romantic. It feels like the most natural thing in the world. They're very pretty people. I'm sure the makeouts will be funny, flirty, and hot. But I'd bet on them to still be together in forty years as Korra shows Asami things she only dreamed of and Asami comes up with spirit-inspired gadgets. Together. Always.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 25, 2014, 03:42:58 AM
Well, I've been delaying it, but now it's time to watch seasons 3 and 4 again with my homo-shipping glasses on. *Puts them on* Alright, here we go! Gonna closely analyze every interaction between Korra and Asami.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 25, 2014, 04:22:49 AM
Well, I've been delaying it, but now it's time to watch seasons 3 and 4 again with my homo-shipping glasses on. *Puts them on* Alright, here we go! Gonna closely analyze every interaction between Korra and Asami.

Good luck with that!

There will be plenty to analyze... Believe me, I've been on Tumblr and seen it all!

Even the most 'innocent' of moments between the two, don't go unnoticed... xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 25, 2014, 04:32:52 AM
Oh I already see it, even in the first few seconds of them being on screen together, lmao.

Oh and I'm actually laughing at the funny stuff this time! I never did when I first watched the episodes.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 25, 2014, 09:07:33 AM
I think that people who say that Korrasami was forced and rushed with no development are just in denial of the ship being endgame, tbh.

They have been developing as friends since season 1, of course, but the beginning of season 3 was when it really started happening big time. They were developed as much as they could be with the short amount of time they had left in the show and also what would be allowed because of stupid censorship stuff. Like what did they expect? Kataang level obviousness like cheek kisses and actual confirmation of crushes from the characters? There's only so much Nick would allow Mike and Bryan to put in.

I can assure you that if it wasn't for homophobia bs, we would have gotten a lot more blatantly obvious things put in there; but even so, I still believe they put a lot in there and I don't think they rushed anything at all. Korra and Asami spent a ton of time together in season 3, more so than Mako or Bolin, and then of course Asami was the only person that Korra wrote to during her 3 year absence. Even if you didn't think that was romantic, it still had a ton of development there.

Not to mention the ending mirrored the Kataang ending so well that it still seemed obvious to me even without the confirmation from Bryke.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 25, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
I'm at the last episode of season 3 now and so far I've noticed only tiny things. Then again it's not like Bryke could make it flat out obvious. *Sigh* Stupid freaking homophobic people just need to leave the Earth and stop ruining beautiful things. >.>
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 25, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I've watched the finale three times now... I can't stop crying during the ending. Even though i know what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 25, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
I'm up to episode 6 of season 4 in my rewatch. No Korra and Asami interaction yet, but we're almost there.

The argument with them coming up makes a whole lot more sense now though. Without shipping glasses on, it just seems out of the blue.

Uh huh, mmm hmmmm, the Reunion episode with the glasses on opens your eyes wide open, holy crap.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 25, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
I'm up to episode 6 of season 4 in my rewatch. No Korra and Asami interaction yet, but we're almost there.

The argument with them coming up makes a whole lot more sense now though. Without shipping glasses on, it just seems out of the blue.

Uh huh, mmm hmmmm, the Reunion episode with the glasses on opens your eyes wide open, holy crap.
Exactly, man.

Especially considering Korra's adorable blush when Asami complements her hair a few minutes before. It all builds up.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: jtav on December 25, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
I think it was a tiny bit rushed in the sense we could have used more hand holding and other small moments of intimacy that could have gotten past censors. But, oh, what they got right was so much more important than what they got wrong. Even though Korra and Asami only have significant interaction in four episodes of S4, the writers did a great job conveying that they have a special connection. It's Asami Korra confides in. Asami who sees her at her worst.  I have a constellation of health problems, and it's not easy to make yourself emotionally vulnerable that way. Even the fight seems like misapplied concern. So they get my vote for most likely to be happily married in thirty years. And if it were perfect, I wouldn't write fic.

As for it not originally being endgame: so? Characters take on a life of their own. Following the original plan when it no longer fits just leads to a bad, stilted story. If they decided Korra and Asami had crazy chemistry while they were writing, good on them.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 25, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
I have a constellation of health problems, and it's not easy to make yourself emotionally vulnerable that way. Even the fight seems like misapplied concern. So they get my vote for most likely to be happily married in thirty years.
Not gonna lie, this was when I was honestly considering Korrasami to be a possibility. I've been through physical rehabilitation and to be that open with somebody about what you're going through when you're going through it, especially for somebody who was as headstrong as Korra, is incredibly difficult to do unless you trust that person just implicitly.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: jtav on December 25, 2014, 05:04:15 PM

Not gonna lie, this was when I was honestly considering Korrasami to be a possibility. I've been through physical rehabilitation and to be that open with somebody about what you're going through when you're going through it, especially for somebody who was as headstrong as Korra, is incredibly difficult to do unless you trust that person just implicitly.

And you have Asami serving as Korra's caretaker at the end of S3. It's humbling for both sides, especially when you have someone like Korra who defines themselves by their physical prowess. There's nothing fun or romantic about dressing someone or pushing their chair. Triple that if she was bathing Korra or helping her to the bathroom.  And I've had acquaintances who did the real life version of going to the SWT to be with a loved one who needed rehab. It disrupted their careers and social lives. Asami's independently wealthy, but she wouldn't have been in a position to design the infrastructure. So yes, I think those two episodes were when I went from all in good fun slashing to feeling baited. To absolute delight when I realized they were going there and I wasn't a crazy shipper.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 25, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
Had to take a break for sleep, so now I'm going on to episode 8 soon. XD I keep watching the reunion between the two and analyzing it and I've noticed that Korra looks at Asami at one point in complete and absolute adoration.

Also, I studied the hug between Korra and Asami and Korra and Mako. There's a definite romantic sense to her and Asami's hug compared to her and Mako's hug which was more of a "I haven't seen this friend in a long time" kind of hug.

Asami was definitely NOT happy with the interloper, though I don't blame her. Stupid Wu, lol. Korra was definitely all "urgh" when Wu was hitting on her, lmao.

Oh and Mako's line of "what's going on with you two" made me spit out my non-existent drink. I've only ever heard THAT line in TV shows or movies when a couple is becoming romantically involved. If they just wanted to imply a friendship with that line, they would have had him say "what's going on?" or something similar.

Bryke, you are a genius.

I'm also sitting here trying to figure out just what Asami is reading in this episode, seriously. It has two women on the back of it working on some sort of.... Motor? I dunno what it is. Ugh, if only I could read Chinese.

________

So I finally finished the rest of the episodes. My conclusion? Well, Bryke got away with what they could in terms of development of their relationship, which means not too much. The little bit that was there in season 3 (and what they showed in season 4) was pretty evident though. Particularly at the end of season 3 and the episode Reunion.

Though I seriously wish they would have used that flashback episode for them specifically to help build it up more. *Sighs and pouts*

That romantic music at the end though, so beautiful! *Sniffs and wipes away a tear* It was such a tender and loving type of song that it tugs at your heartstrings.

Oh, and I found this:

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r257/iggychan444/get_zpsxne3uqep.gif)

*Sniffles*

(Wow I've edited this post a lot, but I don't want to double post...)

I've found the Korrasami theme song! *Salutes* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL0bjwez8mg
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on December 26, 2014, 02:11:13 AM

Tell me this was a deleted scene XD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 26, 2014, 02:24:06 AM
Lol, sadly not, the kiss part is a fan made animation. Still looks amazing though.

Hopefully there will be commentary by Bryke on the DVD of the fourth season about Korra and Asami. That would be amazing.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on December 27, 2014, 02:18:53 AM
I'm kinda bummed that they could'nt really explore this relationship because even though i saw so little build up, it just made sense. Imagine if they did have more, i'd be going out of my mind.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 27, 2014, 02:25:17 AM
If this show was made 20 years down the line instead, I'm sure there would have been more development, and maybe even a kiss or more, throughout the show.

What we freaking got was just a tease, man, A TEASE!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 27, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
I guess it's much better than Cartoon Network not allowing Bubbline on air... Even if they are canon in the comics, not everyone reads them.

Speaking of comics... When they make Korra ones, I wonder how they will portray their relationship. I swear, if they dare to go the retcon trope (hope I used that right?)... Cities are going to burn to the ground!

With a little luck, maybe they'll call each other "sweetie" like Katara does with Aang in the comics... xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on December 27, 2014, 09:59:20 AM
I guess it's much better than Cartoon Network not allowing Bubbline on air... Even if they are canon in the comics, not everyone reads them.

Speaking of comics... When they make Korra ones, I wonder how they will portray their relationship. I swear, if they dare to go the retcon trope (hope I used that right?)... Cities are going to burn to the ground!

With a little luck, maybe they'll call each other "sweetie" like Katara does with Aang in the comics... xD

With how much Mike and Bryan assured us that Korrasami is canon, I'm sure they won't go the retcon route, that would be in horrible taste. Unless they have no control over the comics, but I doubt that.

Also omg the sweetie thing haha.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 27, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
I guess it's much better than Cartoon Network not allowing Bubbline on air... Even if they are canon in the comics, not everyone reads them.

Speaking of comics... When they make Korra ones, I wonder how they will portray their relationship. I swear, if they dare to go the retcon trope (hope I used that right?)... Cities are going to burn to the ground!

With a little luck, maybe they'll call each other "sweetie" like Katara does with Aang in the comics... xD

With how much Mike and Bryan assured us that Korrasami is canon, I'm sure they won't go the retcon route, that would be in horrible taste. Unless they have no control over the comics, but I doubt that.

Also omg the sweetie thing haha.

They're apart of the comics from what I've heard and the comics are considered canon. I'd hate for there to be some unnecessary plot that breaks Korrasami up because of the stupidest of reasons. I'm sure it wont happen, when the time comes... Some people just need to grow up and get over it.

I've only read parts of The Search and yet I know about the "sweetie" thing from other comics. People post pictures of the comics on Tumblr, so you can't miss it. xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 27, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
They better make Korra comics or there will be Hell to pay! They can get away with more in comics because, like someone said, not everyone reads the comics. Plus parents have more control over kids getting books and comics anyway, so heh heh. If they don't like what's in them, they can just not buy them.

I can kind of imagine the Korra comics being more laid back than the The Last Airbender ones honestly. It's what the show needs big time because of how short the seasons were and the fact that they couldn't get away with too much Korrasami. >.> Well, I hope they will be laid back at least, they need to be used to fill in gaps and to develop the characters more. Plus I'm dying to see the other character's reactions to Korra and Asami. XD (I'm sitting here imagining Mako and Bolin's face as a comedic Anime "shocked" face, ha ha ha!)

They'll probably be used to show the changes in the Earth Kingdom too I imagine. Still laid back in a sense, unless there happens to be some political strife going on, which may occur.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 28, 2014, 08:10:30 AM
That was me who said that. xD

If the comics still have "Nickelodeon" on them, I'm not sure if they can get too 'laid back'... But, I think the comics might be able to get away with more. I don't know how it works, though.

The Earth Kingdom will probably have more problems... Especially now that Wu wants separate states and staunch Kuvira supporters wont be too happy about it.

All I would like to see at the moment is Korra and Asami's Spirit World adventures, although that's probably best left for a very naughty fan fiction...

(http://media.tumblr.com/ea609036c8581ac433defdd7c7ac404f/tumblr_inline_nh0h7y9Jba1qa36a2.jpg)

Sorry, but I had to!... xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
I think you misunderstood what I meant by "laid back", lol. I meant not as serious with almost no issues going on in the world. As in, just all of them having fun and whatnot. :) Just to give these characters (and us) a freaking breather for once.

LOL! What happens in the Spirit World, STAYS in the Spirit World! (Unless you're a perv like me, he he. XD)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 28, 2014, 05:02:42 PM
I guess my mind is getting lazy... I have a serious problem! xD

There will be hundreds of fics on their Spirit World shenanigans, so it's probably best it stays there... LOL!


(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3d40cca569d970b0c0349ec86e312108/tumblr_nh8labQ5eY1qm5sjco1_500.gif)

This is how it would most likely begin, on the other side of the portal. xD


Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 28, 2014, 05:09:47 PM
OMG that's adorable! O.O
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 28, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
That is the cutest Korrasami thing I've ever seen.

They're so good for each other, you guys.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 28, 2014, 06:07:09 PM
The person who made that deserves a bunch of gold stars and an A++.

Ugh, these Korra and Asami fics with them in high school. No, just no. I don't care if they ARE Korrasami fics, I hate high school stories.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: jtav on December 28, 2014, 06:59:40 PM
And on that note, if anybody wants to toss links to actual good fics, it'd be appreciated.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 28, 2014, 10:29:57 PM
Speaking of fics, I started writing one where I make up for the lack of development between them and I got this review:

(click to show/hide)I wouldn't say there was no development. There was build up that strengthened their friendship and build beginning of the path.

You are misunderstanding the ending. It is symbolic one. They are still just friends in the last shot that's why there was no romance build up because that build up and actual romance comes after season 4. It confirmed present as friends and implied the future as couple.

So no, it was not poorly developed.
I just hope creators will release comics with all the development people are searching for and finally calm down. Cause right now majority is searching for proper romance development, somewhere where it does not exists and is not meant to exist.

Still will be nice to read these shots )

Hm, no, I disagree with this person. They obviously don't understand how a relationship between the main character and a supporting main character is supposed to work (in cartoons at least). Typically, it's supposed to be built up slowly over time, with the last season being where the main romance starts to blossom. You can see this in almost EVERY show that has the main character falling for a supporting character, and LoK is no different.

Plus I think this person missed the fact that Korra and Asami were indeed a couple at the end. They would have kissed if, you know, homophobes wouldn't have had issues with that.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 28, 2014, 11:10:34 PM
What if I wrote a high school story AND they were Magical Girls >.>
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 28, 2014, 11:59:52 PM
... What? O.o
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 29, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Ugh, these Korra and Asami fics with them in high school. No, just no. I don't care if they ARE Korrasami fics, I hate high school stories.


I am responding to this ^
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
I figured, lol, but were you trying to rile me up? XD Unless a show/movie/book/etc takes place in high school, I'm always going to hate high school fics. Why? I don't know, I just do.

*Sigh* I still can't stop staring at the GIF that was posted above.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 29, 2014, 12:21:38 AM
I think the only Avatar High School AU that could ever work is one in the future where their society has such a similar school setting to our own and it's with characters we haven't met yet.

The idea of an Avatar being told their identity at 16 right in the middle of one of the most awkward and stressful transitional periods of their life, in the midst of attempting to craft their own identity, is pretty interesting if handled properly... however rarely. High school is a great place to do that.

It's just that the majority of the main characters in the Avatar universe are not conducive to such a setting, as they are generally outside of normal societal structure. Aang was a monk, Korra was locked in a facility, Sokka and Katara fended for themselves and their tribe in wartime, Mako and Bolin were out on the streets only to be taken in by an athletics coach, Toph and Asami were 'pampered' rich kids who never seemed to have much formal education outside of hired specialists (unknown for Asami, but shown for Toph), Zuko is banished royalty, and Azula probably never had to leave the castle against her wishes.

Not a single one of those people had anything in the way of our general schooling structure in their early lives, which is why High School AU is so tricky. How would these people exist in that space? Well, try putting those archetypes in that space instead- that way you won't have to make largely presumptuous value judgements about individual characters.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on December 29, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
The person who made that deserves a bunch of gold stars and an A++.

Ugh, these Korra and Asami fics with them in high school. No, just no. I don't care if they ARE Korrasami fics, I hate high school stories.
This.
and this.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 29, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
There's lots of art on Tumblr.

Speaking of which, I am working on something and I posted a preview... It's not NSFW, but I might have to use a mature filter when I eventually post it on DeviantArt. I did use a real picture for reference, but changed a few things to make it look more like them.

If you want to see it, go to My Tumblr (http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com) (don't mind the song that I created, auto-playing in the background) and search under the tag "Korrasami Kiss".

I don't really want to post the link, even though there's nothing showing. But, you know... *Nervous Laughter in the voice of Rocko from Rocko's Modern Life* xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 05:30:07 PM
*Spits out drink laughing* I saw this on your Tumblr and couldn't help but burst out laughing:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/a879bd6acc74047c98bb9e2b0048ba90/tumblr_nh8a823AHP1t8vgz4o1_1280.jpg (http://40.media.tumblr.com/a879bd6acc74047c98bb9e2b0048ba90/tumblr_nh8a823AHP1t8vgz4o1_1280.jpg)

And that "When Makorra isn't canon" trumpet thing in your playlist also cracked me up.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 29, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 29, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
*Spits out drink laughing* I saw this on your Tumblr and couldn't help but burst out laughing:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/a879bd6acc74047c98bb9e2b0048ba90/tumblr_nh8a823AHP1t8vgz4o1_1280.jpg (http://40.media.tumblr.com/a879bd6acc74047c98bb9e2b0048ba90/tumblr_nh8a823AHP1t8vgz4o1_1280.jpg)

And that "When Makorra isn't canon" trumpet thing in your playlist also cracked me up.

I had to change the date of my snippet song's post and put it more recent than that trumpet post, after I reblogged it. I hate how my music player does that. LOL!

And, I saw that funny Korrasami drawing on Tumblr, too! xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
You know what's funny? I'm more of a Yaoi shipper, but I'm obsessed with Korrasami. I need help! My fantasies of them are getting ridiculous! XD And Tumblr is NOT helping!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 29, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
Tyzula was the only ship I spent the most of my attention on, but then canon Korrasami happend! xD

I did ship Korrasami, though. I just didn't go in the tag search as much. I still love Tyzula and I should do an art of them, seeming I am with Korrasami. I was going to after my Fire Lord Azula, but I started on a post "The Search" Azula.

Here's another one from Tumblr:

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/f43cbccf47ef18ef36fbded75b9c77ec/tumblr_nhbnwqrQfd1tnpoexo1_1280.jpg)

^_^
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 06:28:24 PM
Yeah I saw that one, it's adorable. XD

I'm actually a Kataang shipper as well, but I haven't been obsessed since ATLA ended, so yeah... Korrasami has taken over that void.

Speaking of void, I'm still cracking up over that Kuvira comic where she let's go of her "airly" tethers, lmao.

*Laughs so hard she starts coughing*

Quote (selected)
Korra: Honey?

Asami: What?

Korra: Where’s my airbender staff?

Asami: What?

Korra: Where - is - my - airbender - staff?

Asami: I, uh, put it away.

[airship explodes outside]

Korra: *Where*?

Asami: *Why* do you *need* to know?

Korra: I need it!

Asami: Uh-uh! Don’t you think about running off doing no Avatar daring-do. We’ve been planning this dinner for two months!

Korra: Republic City is in danger!

Asami: My evening’s in danger!

Korra: You tell me where my staff is, woman! We are talking about the greater good!

Asami: ’Greater good?’ I am your wife! I’m the greatest *good* you are ever gonna get!

Oh lordy that's golden!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 29, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Yeah I saw that one, it's adorable. XD

I'm actually a Kataang shipper as well, but I haven't been obsessed since ATLA ended, so yeah... Korrasami has taken over that void.

Speaking of void, I'm still cracking up over that Kuvira comic where she let's go of her "airly" tethers, lmao.

*Laughs so hard she starts coughing*

Quote (selected)
Korra: Honey?

Asami: What?

Korra: Where’s my airbender staff?

Asami: What?

Korra: Where - is - my - airbender - staff?

Asami: I, uh, put it away.

[airship explodes outside]

Korra: *Where*?

Asami: *Why* do you *need* to know?

Korra: I need it!

Asami: Uh-uh! Don’t you think about running off doing no Avatar daring-do. We’ve been planning this dinner for two months!

Korra: Republic City is in danger!

Asami: My evening’s in danger!

Korra: You tell me where my staff is, woman! We are talking about the greater good!

Asami: ’Greater good?’ I am your wife! I’m the greatest *good* you are ever gonna get!

Oh lordy that's golden!
That sounds way more like something Mako would do.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
It was just in fun, lol. Plus it was based off of The Incredibles (great movie btw). But yeah, I can see Mako doing that, lol.

Tumblr, what are you doing to me? You're making me die with laughter!

https://41.media.tumblr.com/486f7abed316eef9a15a3fad5949dfee/tumblr_nhciwkDHrD1qb5tgvo1_500.jpg
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on December 29, 2014, 07:17:31 PM
Korrasexuality reigns supreme.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 29, 2014, 07:19:13 PM
I just saw this post:

Quote (selected)
They cut off the Korrasami ending on Nicktoons Network! They only showed they holding hands outside the portal but not staring into each other’s eyes inside.

What? Seriously?! *Slams head into laptop*

And oh. My. Spirits. This is the most adorable thing ever!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5dc68f7290bc38bc36dd168121af0e2a/tumblr_nhbj0yyzh91rdww9fo1_500.jpg)

*Coughs so much from laughing* Ugh, I think I choked on my own spit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1foCVjrM0
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 30, 2014, 03:22:59 AM
THEY DID NOT CUT THAT ENDING OFF!? D:< REALLY!?

Also

Makkorians be super salty still
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on December 30, 2014, 05:27:38 AM
I just saw this post:

Quote (selected)
They cut off the Korrasami ending on Nicktoons Network! They only showed they holding hands outside the portal but not staring into each other’s eyes inside.

What? Seriously?! *Slams head into laptop*

And oh. My. Spirits. This is the most adorable thing ever!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5dc68f7290bc38bc36dd168121af0e2a/tumblr_nhbj0yyzh91rdww9fo1_500.jpg)

*Coughs so much from laughing* Ugh, I think I choked on my own spit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1foCVjrM0

DAT BABEH. >3<
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 30, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
I saw this one on Tumblr, before... xD

(click to show/hide)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e1b2a6c844b699ded2c1d440404fd430/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo1_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e22fab2c3f98ab9fc2f3595d39f14d34/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo2_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e077c6686e9ae40f1137d3da79be041a/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo3_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e862191ee68783468149f46969c04655/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo4_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/372c2090d65ec178e594299077462a3f/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo5_1280.png)
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/b36d788860923123aa071edb7e857fc0/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo6_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/117f9b012daeff13eb4aaa7c4f144dd6/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo7_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/43cf84bfe63c4cc4313fb2db4ff54f4d/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo8_1280.png)
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/dfa5e962509e0e4e18242c5731567e53/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo9_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d2cb6363d3f8554d0e016a04e1a60fd3/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo10_1280.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on December 30, 2014, 03:18:13 PM
I just saw this post:

Quote (selected)
They cut off the Korrasami ending on Nicktoons Network! They only showed they holding hands outside the portal but not staring into each other’s eyes inside.

What? Seriously?! *Slams head into laptop*

And oh. My. Spirits. This is the most adorable thing ever!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5dc68f7290bc38bc36dd168121af0e2a/tumblr_nhbj0yyzh91rdww9fo1_500.jpg)

*Coughs so much from laughing* Ugh, I think I choked on my own spit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1foCVjrM0
Really? I watched it on Nicktoons twice and I didn't notice any difference. I recorded the episode o maybe I'll watch it again
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on December 30, 2014, 03:25:03 PM
I saw this one on Tumblr, before... xD

(click to show/hide)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e1b2a6c844b699ded2c1d440404fd430/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo1_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e22fab2c3f98ab9fc2f3595d39f14d34/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo2_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e077c6686e9ae40f1137d3da79be041a/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo3_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e862191ee68783468149f46969c04655/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo4_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/372c2090d65ec178e594299077462a3f/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo5_1280.png)
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/b36d788860923123aa071edb7e857fc0/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo6_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/117f9b012daeff13eb4aaa7c4f144dd6/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo7_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/43cf84bfe63c4cc4313fb2db4ff54f4d/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo8_1280.png)
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/dfa5e962509e0e4e18242c5731567e53/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo9_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d2cb6363d3f8554d0e016a04e1a60fd3/tumblr_nhe9nt9sg81r1o83eo10_1280.png)



this is the best!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on December 30, 2014, 03:39:58 PM
I don't know why I didn't anticipate that kiss in the last picture. xD

But, I have been concentrating more on this:

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/25e97811e8a8045e24a90c91143174cb/tumblr_nhe2x872G41qgeokxo1_1280.png)

It's a little idea of what's going to be in the background and since then, I've been adding little droplets to the water (my first time doing water). It will also symbolize them. It should look much better when finished and I didn't forget Earth & Air.

And, I just watched the video with all the reactions of fans... It hurts to laugh! xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 30, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Hahahahahaha, that comic is golden! I want to see more comics. XD

Yeah, I can't stop laughing at reaction videos to the finale. XD

This one has to be one of the best reaction videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzy-IFpjTeQ

Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Tiger on December 30, 2014, 06:57:39 PM
Hahahahahaha, that comic is golden! I want to see more comics. XD

Yeah, I can't stop laughing at reaction videos to the finale. XD

This one has to be one of the best reaction videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzy-IFpjTeQ


Poor Appa plushie got smacked around because she was spazzing. XDDDD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on December 30, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
I know, I winced at that. I would never treat MY Appa plushie like that. *Hugs it*

That girl is a serious Korrasami shipper though, I've watched her other reaction videos that she has for season 4. XD

"Applied ambiguous Korrasami" fics. *Throws towel* I'm done here. Not to mention all these fics where they are confused about their feelings for one another. *Looks at the ending of the finale multiple times* Nope, they seem pretty certain of them to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1RnAGncBQ

Phhhfffttttthahahahahahahahahaha!

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https://40.media.tumblr.com/3dc6244c4dd09b76909905dd0561c9bb/tumblr_nhh8ceQf8a1qkrjb9o1_1280.jpg

TRUTH

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I just found this amazing explanation on Korrasami. Oh my it makes everything so freaking clear.

(click to show/hide)1. Asami, the Rich and Beautiful… Spy?

Asami is strongly drawn to Korra at first sight. Why? Because Asami is, at heart, a deeply just person who believes in equality, compassion, and kindness - the very qualities the Avatar is meant to embody. This is why Asami cannot even bring herself to dislike Korra for “stealing” Mako away. Asami, being more sophisticated and savvy, knows how to impress people and “play the game”, but she is still young enough to be idealistic and impressionable. Showing Korra around her mansion and taking her racing are meant to impress - these “generosities” are easy for an heiress like Asami. As fate would have it, Korra comes along at a time when Asami’s moral compass is about to be severely tested by her father. It seemed as though Asami passed the test with ease but it’s likely that the “aura of the Avatar” made all the difference. Asami is at an age when society presses you to choose between finding your own path or grasping at the carrots society dangles at you. She decided to stand by her own principles and that also meant standing by the Avatar.

Calling Asami “generous” seems insufficient when you look at her total contribution. She never HAD to give anything; nobody would have blamed her if she quietly tended to her own life of rebuilding the company and trying to redeem the family name after her father’s betrayal. However, we witness Korra (and what Korra represents) gradually becoming Asami’s personal and moral center of gravity. It’s very satisfying to find your true direction in life, especially when you’ve lost everything! Asami repaid this new-found purpose to Team Avatar with as much kindness as she could muster, i.e., providing all manner of technological, logistical, and personal support. Viewed in this way, Asami’s generosity seems grander than just being a kind person, it points to a deep devotion to a cause - and that cause is twofold: Korra as friend and Korra as Avatar/physical representation of Asami’s drive to create a better world.

Whether she is fully aware or not, Asami is already in full-steam-ahead mode at the end of season 1, unlike Mako, who only really got there in the series finale. Mako, being a more self-centered person, never 100% trusted that Korra was truly an altruistic person (to him, Korra was human first, Avatar second), so he was constantly doubting or dismissing her thoughts and feelings, seeing her as he saw himself, whereas Asami trusted Korra 100% from the moment she turned on her father - that was her point of no return. I think this is why Bryke felt that Asami was a compelling character and changed their minds for her arc, because she could have easily gone another way, because many people would have. But she didn’t. She chose to give it all up for the greater good. For herself and for Korra. And this immediately puts her in first place as Korra’s spiritual equal. Spoiler: Nobody will catch up to her. She peaks early.

Asami solidifies her role in Team Avatar as the “designated driver”. As someone who rarely drinks, it sucks to be the sober one, but it feels good to be the safety and support for your friends when they are most vulnerable to danger. And that’s what Asami quietly is: She is the backbone of Team Avatar. Backbones are often taken for granted until they start acting up…

2. Asami + Korra, Sitting in a tr… Sand Skimmer?

By season 3, it is clear that Asami finds herself flirting with Korra (oh the posing and hairbending!) As has been pointed out, being beautiful does not automatically make a person flirtatious or promiscuous and we only see the flirtation seriously directed at Korra from here on out. (I’m happy to NOT make Asami a victim of stereotyping or to view her through the male gaze by claiming that she’s asking for attention. Women can indeed pretty themselves up and not want male attention. Gasp!)

I think it is 100% right to say that Asami is not initially aware that she is flirting so hard at the start of season 3. I’m a psychology graduate so I know that when you do something subconsciously long enough, you have to begin justifying it to yourself in your rational mind. Generally speaking, the only rational justification for uncontrollable flirting, pointed at a specific person, is simply that you have romantic feelings towards them. At some point, Asami, being a smart and rational person, realizes this and ramps up efforts to be near Korra, e.g., watching her meditate, sitting beside her at all times, running away with her spiritless body, etc.

By the latter part of season 3 it is clear that Korra really enjoys teaming up with Asami. Korra’s expression in almost all of those scenes can loosely be interpreted as a satisfied grin. You don’t see her grin like that when she’s teamed with Mako. Their symbiotic teamwork shows they are entirely synchronized. This kind of connection cannot be underestimated! I have only had this kind of connection with one person - my spouse! In order to achieve it, you need to know the person well enough to accurately predict what they will do 99.9% of the time. Do you know how hard that is?! (My spouse and I once got separated in a foreign country when trying to board a train. The train door closed in my face! Our phones weren’t working! We both hopped on and off trains trying to figure out which train the other would have taken. An hour later we ended up at the same train station and it was not our destination! No easy feat!).

Korra and Asami’s different strengths and weaknesses balance out perfectly to solve whatever problem arises, like being kidnapped, accidentally destroying an airship in the middle of the desert, etc. They each do their part, often wordlessly, and the result is always greater and far superior than either could have achieved alone. Conversely, when Korra and Mako team up, there is no such symbiosis. They often take turns and jump in when the other is exhausted or in danger. With Mako, Korra shows no enjoyment of the process of teamwork itself, there is only the immediate goal to be achieved (except for the pro-bending but that was a team/learning thing not a couple thing).

I think it is dead on to say that Asami realizes she not just crushes on but lurrrrves Korra when she almost dies in the season 3 finale. Nothing jolts your true feelings to the surface like near-death! With the state Korra was in after the Zaheer battle, Asami already gave up weeks of her life to care for her. Asami is the one who doesn’t leave Korra’s side through Jinora’s ceremony. Who else could have done it? Tenzin would have been too busy cleaning up Zaheer’s mess. Mako and Bolin are not natural caregivers, they couldn’t do it all day and all night. Lin? She’s truly impressed with Korra by now but she ain’t gonna rub Korra’s paralyzed feet! Korra’s parents? Yes, but that does not explain why Asami is the one glued to that damn wheelchair, especially if she was presumably just called in to give the “makeover” before the ceremony. Asami earned that mothereffin’ spot AMONG the effin’ immediate family by effin’ caring for Korra 24/7! There’s a reason Mako and Bolin were on the other side of the room! Having sacrificed that time, Asami is then willing to give up even more time AND move halfway around the world with Korra to help her recuperate. Who could honestly give up a business empire, painstakingly rebuilt from the ground up, for a friend? If Korra kept extending her absence would Asami suddenly say, “Nope, gotta get back to my business. Sorry!” Never. Listen, if I were as rich as Asami, and Korra was my dear friend, I’d hire her the best doctors and nurses money could buy and build a special suite for her in the local hospital so I could visit her every day. But if I luurrrved Korra, I’d still do all that AND drop everything to be with her no matter where she wanted to go, no matter for how long. Because you only do that for your one true love… not your “friend”.

If at this point it’s not clear to people that Asami is head-over-heels in love with Korra, then they are either saints themselves or just completely oblivious/ignorant of what regular-people behavior looks like. Asami’s behavior is not regular. Would she make the same sacrifice for anyone else placed in Korra’s position? I highly doubt it. Asami is making grand romantic gestures left, right and center! You get a grand gesture, and you get a grand gesture, and you get a grand gesture! (And by “you” I mean Korra.) Maybe people can’t see it because Korra is suffering too much to see it and, unfortunately, we only really see Asami through Korra’s eyes. (Poor Asami!)

3. Korra’s Back and Better than ev… WTF, is that a Mega Maid?!

Season 4 is where Korrasami loses me a bit simply because the story is too packed for them to have much interaction. BUT, the interaction we DO get to see is precisely what we’ve been seeing all along - symbiotic teamwork after years apart, as seen when escaping from the train. Asami constantly writes heartfelt letters to Korra and continues even when there is no response. Why? Because she loves her. I lived overseas for 10 years of my life. I’m the type of introverted person who only has very close friends. I wrote to my friends. The dearest friends who didn’t write back? After a couple of years, I stopped too. That doesn’t mean I can’t pick up with them later, but I won’t keep writing if they don’t bother responding. Mako doesn’t have much to say. Bolin is… illiterate? Korra eventually writes back only to Asami. Can this be interpreted as friendship because Asami is just more capable of understanding, as a friend? Absolutely. Can it be that AND romantic love? Yes. Is it actually both for Korra? Maybe, maybe not. Because we see through Korra’s eyes, the answer is not clear. Korra is in no place to think about that so, by proxy, neither are we at that moment.

However, we do know how Asami feels already. AND we are privy to what Asami does while Korra is gone. Let’s see… 1) Asami single-handedly rebuilds Republic City’s infrastructure to exactly match Korra’s vision of humans and spirits co-existing peacefully - not the cheapest option!, 2) Asami constructs an Avatar Park with a huge statue of Korra and is seen going there and smiling at the statue when she is at a particularly low point in her life due to her father’s reappearance, 3) Asami’s personal interest is working on biomimicry technology to further enhance the bridge between the human and spiritual worlds, 4) She swaps her red and black satomobile (her colors) for a blue and brown one (water tribe colors), 5) She modernizes the railway system, helping to speed up the stabilizing of the Earth Kingdom, which Korra believes is her responsibility. Why would Asami do all this? Clearly it is not just for money or her own vanity (heck if I’m gonna build a statue, it’s gonna be of me!) Once again, we are forced to see her as an effin’ SAINT if she’s merely doing this for a cause. It makes a lot more sense if she’s doing it for a cause AND for Korra. She’s helping Korra from afar because that’s all she can do. And she continues to do it even when Korra is unresponsive and eventually goes missing. If that’s not love then I seriously don’t know what love looks like.

As for the uncharacteristic Asami outburst when she and Mako reunite with Korra? It has been explained beautifully. Contrasting Korra’s argumentative style with Mako’s makes it very clear that Korra and Asami argue like lovers. They can be honest and even snap, but the other knows to absorb it (cut through the crap) and get to the heart of the issue. Listen. Empathize. Reflect. That’s what good couples do. Do friends argue like this? Only the closest of friends. What tips it into romantic territory is the immediate contrast afterwards: we see Korra and Mako argue like adversaries, trying to win rather than trying to reach common ground. Mako can’t empathize with Korra, that was his problem to begin with, and it always puts Korra on the defensive. Can lovers argue like adversaries? Yes, but they usually won’t stay lovers for long (see Makorra, season 2). Bryke is giving us a glimpse of what healthy couples do.

By the end of the Kuvira mess, Asami has given every-effin’-thing she could possibly give to Korra. Her city is once again destroyed. She’s poured out the entire contents of her huge heart, over and over, this way and that. There is literally nothing left for her to give. And, oh yeah, her dad’s dead. -_- The ball is squarely in Korra’s hands and, yay, she is finally ready to catch it. Korra not only catches it, she f*ckin’ firebends into the spirit world! How’s that for synchronized?!

And that is how you write a story of two women falling in love. It’s not going to look like a hetero rom-com, often full of clichés and clearly coded behavior. It is a story not often told, so it’s unfamiliar to a lot of people. Ask any queer female couple who are deeply in love and have been together for a long time. Chances are their story would look very similar, and chances are there are a lot of people who would be surprised, nay, shocked to see them suddenly holding hands walking down the street one day. It’s a rare and special sort of love. And I, for one, am thrilled for them for finally getting to see themselves on screen! It’s about effin’ time!

Most amazing thing I've read about their relationship to date. *_*

There were also two links posted within there that are related:
http://lokgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/105915114468/hah-i-remember-back-when-reunion-first-aired
http://lokgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/106569209908/korrasami-analysis-relationship-health

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuXbzfTm5uU

Oh. Oh lord. I literally laughed so hard at this I actually DID start choking on my spit. Ugh, now my throat hurts.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on January 03, 2015, 09:33:02 PM
However, we do know how Asami feels already. AND we are privy to what Asami does while Korra is gone. Let’s see… 1) Asami single-handedly rebuilds Republic City’s infrastructure to exactly match Korra’s vision of humans and spirits co-existing peacefully - not the cheapest option!, 2) Asami constructs an Avatar Park with a huge statue of Korra and is seen going there and smiling at the statue when she is at a particularly low point in her life due to her father’s reappearance, 3) Asami’s personal interest is working on biomimicry technology to further enhance the bridge between the human and spiritual worlds, 4) She swaps her red and black satomobile (her colors) for a blue and brown one (water tribe colors), 5) She modernizes the railway system, helping to speed up the stabilizing of the Earth Kingdom, which Korra believes is her responsibility. Why would Asami do all this? Clearly it is not just for money or her own vanity (heck if I’m gonna build a statue, it’s gonna be of me!) Once again, we are forced to see her as an effin’ SAINT if she’s merely doing this for a cause. It makes a lot more sense if she’s doing it for a cause AND for Korra. She’s helping Korra from afar because that’s all she can do. And she continues to do it even when Korra is unresponsive and eventually goes missing. If that’s not love then I seriously don’t know what love looks like.
This is brilliant, oh my god.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: jtav on January 04, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
Anybody else seen this amazing vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nym5TjSosOA

I want fic of this. Seriously.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 04, 2015, 06:21:18 PM
Hm, that made me realize that they had a sort of "Korrasami" ship thing going on in season 1 to begin with.

Someone Photoshopped Asami without make-up. I was planning on doing that, but this saves me the hassle. XD Without make-up, Asami's Earth Kingdom features REALLY stand out.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/2b0c39f6371965ea82539dbb20393c85/tumblr_nhnlfaFEJD1rsjx6no1_500.jpg)

In fact she looks a lot like Kuvira. O.o Mind blown.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/eed68bd6b623a5fa91953f1398b07f13/tumblr_inline_nhog7xCv1k1r6458l.gif)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3b2481d6347064ede69b6e315542bbea/tumblr_inline_nhog8xRzhN1r6458l.jpg)

*Snort*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on January 05, 2015, 04:57:15 AM
I've said this before but Korrasami sounds like a sushi roll and I love sushi.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 05, 2015, 06:54:30 PM
Lol, sushi. It does sound like a sushi dish though.

(https://i.imgur.com/yuUsJAg.gif)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: wherewulf on January 05, 2015, 07:21:08 PM
I just saw this post:

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They cut off the Korrasami ending on Nicktoons Network! They only showed they holding hands outside the portal but not staring into each other’s eyes inside.

What? Seriously?! *Slams head into laptop*

And oh. My. Spirits. This is the most adorable thing ever!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5dc68f7290bc38bc36dd168121af0e2a/tumblr_nhbj0yyzh91rdww9fo1_500.jpg)

*Coughs so much from laughing* Ugh, I think I choked on my own spit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1foCVjrM0

Well, unless they've changed things since the Finale, that's incorrect.  I watched the Finale on Nicktoons, and everything was there, handholding and all.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 05, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
I'm really sick of people pushing our world's (current and depends on the nation) views on same sex couples in these Korrasami fanfics. -_- The Avatar world is not ours, and as such it seems to lack religion, and thus with a lack of religion, a lack of disgust and hate for same sex couples.

I wish people would realize this.

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/54fe7b0577dfc145b776d44e3cf4c734/tumblr_ngx15fjQb31ti6h4xo1_500.png)

Ooooooooo burn.

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People be like “Makorra!” and I’m like “yeah, that’s what Asami yells during sex too”

Phhhfttttthahahahahahaha! That's a good one!

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Re-watching season 1 and 2 and being all like:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ekzrM06K1qcjnc1.png)

At the Makorra and Masami love triangle crap.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on January 06, 2015, 02:33:47 PM
I still cry watching the ending ;^;
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 06, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
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People be like “Makorra!” and I’m like “yeah, that’s what Asami yells during sex too”

Phhhfttttthahahahahahaha! That's a good one!

I can't believe I read this a few times until I finally got it... LOL!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nightmare_Shinigami on January 06, 2015, 06:13:13 PM
I'll be honest... I'm a huge of some hot Lesbian Action... but it's safe to say that I like Korrasami almost enterly because they look cute together and are there for each other
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 06, 2015, 07:04:59 PM
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People be like “Makorra!” and I’m like “yeah, that’s what Asami yells during sex too”

Phhhfttttthahahahahahaha! That's a good one!

I can't believe I read this a few times until I finally got it... LOL!

Really? I got it right away when I first saw it on Tumblr, lol.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 07, 2015, 06:20:39 AM
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People be like “Makorra!” and I’m like “yeah, that’s what Asami yells during sex too”

Phhhfttttthahahahahahaha! That's a good one!

I can't believe I read this a few times until I finally got it... LOL!

Really? I got it right away when I first saw it on Tumblr, lol.

I'm getting slow in my old age of 28... LOL!

When I see something, I don't always pay attention to it the first time. xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 07, 2015, 06:07:37 PM
I'm 25, there's no excuse! XD

Ugh, all this Korrasami hate from Makorra shippers. They need to grow up.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on January 08, 2015, 12:29:48 AM
I'm actually excited about rewatching the series in my retake week break and picking up on tbe hints.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 08, 2015, 12:36:56 AM
I've been thinking about doing an analysis video and showing all the hints, even the most subtle of ones.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nightmare_Shinigami on January 08, 2015, 06:49:55 AM
I've been thinking about doing an analysis video and showing all the hints, even the most subtle of ones.

Nice... I'm really looking Forward to see this
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 08, 2015, 07:53:43 AM
I'm 25, there's no excuse! XD

Ugh, all this Korrasami hate from Makorra shippers. They need to grow up.

I'm just lazy, I guess... xD

I might have mentioned this, but I got unfollowed by a Makorra shipper on Tumblr, soon after the finale. It's not even that serious and I never said anything bad about them, once. I have to remember that there are people on that site who are still a decade behind in age and two decades behind in maturity... *Sarcastic Eye Rolling*

My Korrasami art is still not finished yet, but I'll have to get that done at a faster rate. The Korrasami hype hasn't died down, so I hope to make my contribution, soon! xD


Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 08, 2015, 04:51:00 PM
I've been thinking about doing an analysis video and showing all the hints, even the most subtle of ones.

Do it please
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 08, 2015, 05:22:45 PM
I'm going to have to watch all of season 3 again and again, lol. Season 4 is pretty obvious, so I won't have to do much research for that one.

I should watch season 1 and 2 as well for comparison. *Sigh* So much work. XD

Oh god this comic kills me! XXDD (The images are huge, so if you want to view it via Tumblr instead, here's the link: http://korra-x-asami.tumblr.com/tagged/fanart)

(click to show/hide)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/4d2e9bfad75df021d0d3493bfd6b65a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo1_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/9638f6ac6cb114018e9d6ceb0fdb4223/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo2_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4ce70cf1dae9d64591b35dd9c1d7c567/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo3_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/2b7beac8a737b1aaf718c1da47cf3c28/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo4_1280.png)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d6907764bcd1bd2a469f50aa47b85826/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo5_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/8e92c6d9a949fd58c709b16f1953abbc/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo6_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/a276de75dbde70f80effcb125c0b2ba5/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo7_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/189a63d6df44f76e70817f082f2ae81a/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo8_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4ae50eb2f45caa9d41d0f09d2ca47a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo9_1280.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: kataang_is_love on January 08, 2015, 06:59:51 PM
*currently obsessed with this ship*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on January 08, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
I think my favorite thing about that comic is that in spite of the very exaggerated and tensed up facial expressions, he isn't repulsed.

He's just seriously about to cry.

My power grows every glance I get at it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: wherewulf on January 08, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
I've got a lot of rewatching to do too, and not just for the Korrasami.  Just need to find the time to do it.  Things went by so fast!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on January 08, 2015, 08:52:02 PM
I've got a lot of rewatching to do too, and not just for the Korrasami.  Just need to find the time to do it.  Things went by so fast!
I know! I'm rewatching the series. Six episodes down... a lot more to go!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 08, 2015, 09:28:36 PM
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/d31a0f8cb22dad59f9c9517d666229ad/tumblr_nhvldomJQj1sjgr0qo1_500.jpg)

*Falls over laughing*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on January 08, 2015, 10:10:51 PM
Oh god this comic kills me! XXDD (The images are huge, so if you want to view it via Tumblr instead, here's the link: http://korra-x-asami.tumblr.com/tagged/fanart)
(click to show/hide)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/4d2e9bfad75df021d0d3493bfd6b65a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo1_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/9638f6ac6cb114018e9d6ceb0fdb4223/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo2_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4ce70cf1dae9d64591b35dd9c1d7c567/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo3_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/2b7beac8a737b1aaf718c1da47cf3c28/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo4_1280.png)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d6907764bcd1bd2a469f50aa47b85826/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo5_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/8e92c6d9a949fd58c709b16f1953abbc/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo6_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/a276de75dbde70f80effcb125c0b2ba5/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo7_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/189a63d6df44f76e70817f082f2ae81a/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo8_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4ae50eb2f45caa9d41d0f09d2ca47a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo9_1280.png)
How funny. I almost died laughing.

It's just so accurate. I do not see our easily embarrassed Mako readjusting to Korrasami well. Not because he'd have prejudices but because he'd just go red everytime one of them brought it up. It would be so funny, I see Korra playing on it big time.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 08, 2015, 10:48:18 PM
Uncomfortable Mako for the win! He kind of deserves it IMO.

All these people who say Asami is a bland character... Phft, they know nothing about her at all.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/a92cf1abcb250e41b753330b3f308105/tumblr_nhvprph35U1tcbct8o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: wherewulf on January 08, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/d31a0f8cb22dad59f9c9517d666229ad/tumblr_nhvldomJQj1sjgr0qo1_500.jpg)

*Falls over laughing*

Oh, good grief.  XD

And Asami?  Bland?  I'm sorry, what?  Asami = full of surprises, not = Blahsami.  Geez.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 08, 2015, 11:16:51 PM
The things I find on Tumblr eh? XD

I think those who say she's bland are those butthurt Makorra shippers.

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My only hope for the Korra comics is they make Makorra endgame or they fix Korrasami and actually give us some scenes and growth between the two so I can see their relationship being legitimate.

If you ship either or both, cool beans! I just don’t see any romance in Korrasami.

Ggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! *Destroys a city* This whole post makes me rage. However, I do agree that they need to expand upon their relationship a bit better, maybe even do flashback things where we learn when and why they started developing feelings for one another.

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if seychelle ever goes on janet’s podcast and they did a korrasami love confession i would probably rocketship out of this earth and live on the moon for 13 years just to calm myself down

I would die of happiness if this happened. *_*
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 09, 2015, 07:09:33 AM
I'm going to have to watch all of season 3 again and again, lol. Season 4 is pretty obvious, so I won't have to do much research for that one.

I should watch season 1 and 2 as well for comparison. *Sigh* So much work. XD

Oh god this comic kills me! XXDD (The images are huge, so if you want to view it via Tumblr instead, here's the link: http://korra-x-asami.tumblr.com/tagged/fanart)

(click to show/hide)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/4d2e9bfad75df021d0d3493bfd6b65a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo1_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/9638f6ac6cb114018e9d6ceb0fdb4223/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo2_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4ce70cf1dae9d64591b35dd9c1d7c567/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo3_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/2b7beac8a737b1aaf718c1da47cf3c28/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo4_1280.png)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d6907764bcd1bd2a469f50aa47b85826/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo5_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/8e92c6d9a949fd58c709b16f1953abbc/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo6_1280.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/a276de75dbde70f80effcb125c0b2ba5/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo7_1280.png)(http://36.media.tumblr.com/189a63d6df44f76e70817f082f2ae81a/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo8_1280.png)(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4ae50eb2f45caa9d41d0f09d2ca47a9/tumblr_nhu0zv3OdA1qi0l3mo9_1280.png)

I can't get over what Asami is doing in this! xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on January 09, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Ugh, all this Korrasami hate from Makorra shippers. They need to grow up.
For real tho. I saw this post on tumblr with them saying "Sure, your ship is canon, but you'll never have a canon kiss!" and they proceeded to gloat about it. Like wow, way to make censorship a way to validate your stupid ship, real mature.

That comic though! It's so great, I've seen it on my dash several times this week ehehehe.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 09, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
http://mybibabies.tumblr.com/post/107605554264/k0rrasami-korrasamiology-i-really-need

Why am I just seeing this, now?! (http://media.tumblr.com/a732010fcadef9a2b9cdf7b8095adeeb/tumblr_inline_ncpgw1HqNF1qfgz0e.gif)



Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 09, 2015, 06:27:42 PM
I don't get it, lol.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on January 09, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
Spongebob needed water because he was trying to breathe air in one episode (when he first met Sandy).

I think they stuck Korrasami on that because they needed them as bad as Spongebob needed water to survive. xD
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 09, 2015, 07:20:13 PM
Aaaah, I thought that is what it meant. XD I just wasn't sure.

So, that comic I found? Yeah, someone animated a part of it, hahahahahaha!

(click to show/hide)(https://33.media.tumblr.com/bcbd1de3b2bdacbb2826138954185f59/tumblr_nhz6saTrLJ1qhuuuko1_400.gif)

Oh and this comic is amazing.

http://shryland.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-within-Avater-D-502126841

_____

OMG, I saw this on a Tumblr post:

(http://media.tumblr.com/6adebb7ae479ab69c54e2ae755990a10/tumblr_inline_niakqxjQTh1r6nxan.jpg)

And above it said "foreshadowing".

Excuse me while I go die of laughter.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on January 29, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
-SPITS DRINK EVERYWHERE-

symbolism
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: wherewulf on January 29, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
(shakes head, then rolls eyes)

(sighs)  That wasn't really needed.  :D
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on January 30, 2015, 12:32:20 AM
And above it said "foreshadowing".
More like forescissoring.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on January 30, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
And above it said "foreshadowing".
More like forescissoring.

Ba dum tish!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on February 02, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
I really need to look at this thread more, because I keep missing these posts! xD


Well, here's some more Korrasami (http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com/post/108819745401/ai-rika-aatkaw-how-to-bang-the-avatar).

WARNING: It's a little bit naughty (as in rude gestures)... *In a British Accent* :P
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Waterbender16 on February 02, 2015, 04:03:41 PM
Quote (selected)
My only hope for the Korra comics is they make Makorra endgame or they fix Korrasami and actually give us some scenes and growth between the two so I can see their relationship being legitimate.

If you ship either or both, cool beans! I just don’t see any romance in Korrasami.

Ggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! *Destroys a city* This whole post makes me rage.
Excume me , but I'm a die-hard Makorra shipper, and, even if that final scene is hard for me to swallow, do you see me commenting on all the pics posted in this thread?! No, and that's because I respect other people's opinion (and especially if it's the majority of the fans), and I think you're obliged (to say the least) to respect Makorra shippers' opinion too. If that's the ship they want, you have to accept it, either you like it or not, either it's cannon or not.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on February 03, 2015, 02:20:51 AM
I really need to look at this thread more, because I keep missing these posts! xD


Well, here's some more Korrasami (http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com/post/108819745401/ai-rika-aatkaw-how-to-bang-the-avatar).

WARNING: It's a little bit naughty (as in rude gestures)... *In a British Accent* :P
Oh my. Hahaha!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on February 03, 2015, 04:24:21 AM
I've seen that, it's amazing.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on February 05, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
So, I did a thing...

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/9a430f2b900d8f130858b8b2c524d6c6/tumblr_njb247XVHv1qgeokxo1_500.png)
http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com/post/110164313686/chibi-korrasami-give-credit-to-gen8-on-deviantart (http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com/post/110164313686/chibi-korrasami-give-credit-to-gen8-on-deviantart)

:D

This was the best that I could get them, but credit the person who created this Chibi Generator (http://gen8.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Maker-1-1-346025144).
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ignite444 on February 06, 2015, 01:17:31 AM
Ooo, I saw that on Tumblr!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on February 06, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
I really need to look at this thread more, because I keep missing these posts! xD


Well, here's some more Korrasami (http://thesoulzofhades.tumblr.com/post/108819745401/ai-rika-aatkaw-how-to-bang-the-avatar).

WARNING: It's a little bit naughty (as in rude gestures)... *In a British Accent* :P
Oh my. Hahaha!
OMG! That's hilarious!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on February 28, 2015, 01:30:52 PM
Just another month in Korrasami being canon and the fan art being amazing and validated!

Also another month of Makkorians being freaking butthurt and denying the legitimacy. Less on Tumblr more on facebook.  "It doesn't make sense" "It's dumb" "it's boring"  Months later and it's still this narrative.

And still people saying "Just because Byrke said so doesn't mean it's true, it was left open to interpretation"

Blegh so done with those people
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on February 28, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
My favourite thing I've ever seen was this post going around tumblr - "just because it's canon doesn't mean it's endgame". I had a bit of a laugh to myself. Let it go people
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on February 28, 2015, 11:03:00 PM
My favourite thing I've ever seen was this post going around tumblr - "just because it's canon doesn't mean it's endgame". I had a bit of a laugh to myself. Let it go people
That's about as salty as the fries at McDonalds.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on March 02, 2015, 06:30:44 AM
Just because that's your opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on March 02, 2015, 08:21:21 AM
Just because that's your opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid.
~Samuel L Jackson, Alternate Universe Avengers
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on March 05, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
GUYS! GUYS! .... Offical Korrasami Art from Bryan himself :D

(click to show/hide)(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11034293_709282159189160_4474304898891418318_n.jpg?oh=2d9585f25e45726f49cb6e0d8ecb7e34&oe=55777917)

(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/997029_709282179189158_7382178757004659719_n.jpg?oh=ce5bb1c2efa730c8ec3c2358548f508e&oe=5583223C)
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Autumn on March 05, 2015, 10:23:26 PM
I saw that on Tumblr. It's been exploding with that art (and fan art of this piece as well). IT'S SO CUTE!!! Korrasami 5ever
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on March 06, 2015, 02:08:54 AM
Fanboy levels rising
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on March 06, 2015, 03:25:02 AM
Bryan announced that the Art wuill be sold to help with LGBTQIA Suicide prevention!

We have best show creators ever yus
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on March 06, 2015, 04:45:27 AM
What does the IA stand for?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on March 06, 2015, 04:57:46 AM
intersex and Asexual
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on March 06, 2015, 05:55:27 AM
How awesome is that. Not only is that the cutest art I've ever seen, but all the money's going to a worthy cause!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on March 07, 2015, 12:27:50 AM
What's intersexual?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on March 07, 2015, 12:59:33 AM
What's intersexual?
Just intersex. Essentially, it means your genitalia and other sex characteristics don't line up with any one sex, male or female, often as a result of possessing both.

It's a less dehumanizing term for hermaphrodite, which is a classification generally used for non-human animals.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on March 07, 2015, 06:05:18 AM
What's intersexual?
Just intersex. Essentially, it means your genitalia and other sex characteristics don't line up with any one sex, male or female, often as a result of possessing both.

It's a less dehumanizing term for hermaphrodite, which is a classification generally used for non-human animals.


there are like 50 different intersex conditions, including swayers Syndrome (women with uteruses who posses XY chromosomes from birth) and XX Simplex (which is the opposite)

It's pretty complex stuff
<< Post Merge: March 07, 2015, 06:05:52 AM >>


Basically you could be intersex and not even know it.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Nadeshani on March 07, 2015, 08:29:41 AM
Ah okay, I've heard of that obviously but I forgot the term. Which is obviously waaaaay better than the derogatory "hermaphrodite". I saw a documentary on how horribly the medical world treats people who are intersex and it kinda proved to me that there's something very very wrong with the world and not those people.
<< Post Merge: March 07, 2015, 08:36:43 AM >>


On topic, that artwork is beautiful. And I don't understand people who don't find it utterly adorable. Love is love, mayne.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: quidditchchick on March 07, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
Seriously that art is so gorgeous! The lighting is just incredible omg @_@
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 26, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
Wow, some of the bigger ATLA/LOK sites/forums really hate Korrasami. Like you can't even post some funny Korrasami fanart without someone going off on how "lazy" the ship was, or that it was "forced".  Yet they don't say that about Zhurrick which was admitted to be a last minute writing decision by Mike and Bryan.

Some of you may know the one I'm referring to. *coughs*

Like, it happened. It's canon. It's what the creators wanted. LET IT GOOOOOOO

I hate that there are places I frequent where I feel guilty for having a now-canon OTP.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on March 26, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
Wow, some of the bigger ATLA/LOK sites/forums really hate Korrasami. Like you can't even post some funny Korrasami fanart without someone going off on how "lazy" the ship was, or that it was "forced".  Yet they don't say that about Zhurrick which was admitted to be a last minute writing decision by Mike and Bryan.

Some of you may know the one I'm referring to. *coughs*

Like, it happened. It's canon. It's what the creators wanted. LET IT GOOOOOOO

I hate that there are places I frequent where I feel guilty for having a now-canon OTP.
The world is full of dingleberries.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: 8lue Dra6on on March 27, 2015, 07:03:48 AM
Wow, some of the bigger ATLA/LOK sites/forums really hate Korrasami. Like you can't even post some funny Korrasami fanart without someone going off on how "lazy" the ship was, or that it was "forced".  Yet they don't say that about Zhurrick which was admitted to be a last minute writing decision by Mike and Bryan.

Some of you may know the one I'm referring to. *coughs*

Like, it happened. It's canon. It's what the creators wanted. LET IT GOOOOOOO

I hate that there are places I frequent where I feel guilty for having a now-canon OTP.

One site came to mind before I finished reading your post... LOL! Are they still at it, even months later? -_-

I guess they still find the facts so hard to accept. Most of us could see this happening since Book 3, it's that we just didn't expect it to happen for real because of Nickelodeon's BS. Not everyone has to like it (of course), but Korrasami did happen. I don't see where it was "forced", even without the Yuri goggles... LOL!

That's one reason why I don't bother reading all their posts.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on April 13, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
OMGOSH! Actual Bisexual Girlfriends cosplaying Canon Bisexual Girlfriends!

(click to show/hide)(https://41.media.tumblr.com/6abb7f092b2a7046f141d716a8299bbf/tumblr_nmqe0gn0pR1qzujnmo1_500.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/098392a22c51b6b7f27de42152020288/tumblr_nmqe0gn0pR1qzujnmo2_1280.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/f5b52da3d22b2d5a8beacbf6a22f1973/tumblr_nmqe0gn0pR1qzujnmo3_1280.jpg)

So adorable!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on April 13, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
That's so cute, I can't.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: ThePaintedLady on April 14, 2015, 08:11:59 AM
Aww!
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Die.Toets on June 03, 2015, 01:35:12 AM
If I were to really, really, really watch LOK, it would be because of Korrasami. Yeah I suck. ._.;

It's just I like the art of it. ^^;
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on September 20, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
One thing really annoyed me here. A few days ago, I read an article where either Mike or Bryan stated one of the big reasons they decided on Korrasami was because of lack of representation of same-sex couple in kids' shows. Really? You guys just couldn't do it because you thought it was good storytelling? It had to be a statement as well?
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Av on September 20, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
One thing really annoyed me here. A few days ago, I read an article where either Mike or Bryan stated one of the big reasons they decided on Korrasami was because of lack of representation of same-sex couple in kids' shows. Really? You guys just couldn't do it because you thought it was good storytelling? It had to be a statement as well?
Internet Rule 5: It doesn't matter what you do or why you do it, nobody will ever be happy about it.

That quote could just as easily be them considering the fact that it wasn't an avenue they had considered before and questioning why, then deciding that from a storytelling perspective it would be beneficial to have the only to two people in the Krew with actual healthy chemistry, interpersonal skills, and a stable supportive dynamic be the two who end up together. An awareness of the limited amount of representation of a group in media doesn't poison whatever those made aware then touch, it just opens their eyes to further story opportunities that they previously might not have thought to explore.

Plus, deciding you want your show to give a bit of hope to kids and teenagers who rarely ever see themselves represented in media is certainly not something I would admonish. Hell, they even said the day after the finale went online that what they offered probably wasn't good enough. (Considering Nick's weird censorship laws where you can show a person get murdered via asphyxiation but sexuality is in need of being downplayed, one wonders why it might have turned out that way.)

Honestly, with the setup from the first three seasons, the only place Korra's romantic status should have been able to go to was with Asami or no one, because ending up with Bolin would undercut his character development and ending up with Mako would undo both his and Korra's. Could they have gone with no one? ... Sure, I guess. But what's the harm in the alternative? 
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Lionheart on September 21, 2015, 01:42:57 AM
Not saying it poisons it, I'm just saying it's unnecessary for it to be a statement. It would be like saying they brought Katara and Aang together to show that interracial relationship exist rather than simply because they had good chemistry.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: lilithxchan on July 12, 2017, 11:31:32 PM
With the Legend of Korra comic coming out soon, it's once again time for tall the Makorra shippers to come out of the woodwork and bemoan about Korra and Asami dating.
In response to someone saying it was poorly developed, here's what I had to say:

Poorly developed if you weren't paying attention. Throughout season three I was like "DANG Korra and Asami are getting prettyu close. I mean Wow this is borderline flirting, oh my gosh."
And everyone else was like "Nah, you're just seeing what you want to see. She's totally going to be with Mako by the end of the show."

Then Season Four rolls around and BLAM it's not just borderline flirting anymore. It's straight up flirting. And the tension is real, so real that even Mako, who's dense AF, notices and asks "What's up with you two?" to pained stares and awkward blushes. Every time Asami compliments Korra in season four, Korra blushes.

Even the way the last episode ends, and i mean like the last ten minutes, you could tell something was up. First Mako appears in her path, and the two resolve the issues that they've had, and Korra places the past behind her. Then Tenzin appears, the teacher, someone who has seen her grow and over come trials and tribulations. Korra comes to terms with everythign she has learned, and how much she has grown. Then Tenzin is ushered off screen.

Then Asami is left, and typically at the end of the show you save the most important relationship for the end. Asami isn't just her friend she's the hope and promise of something new. She's Korra's future, which Korra takes by the hand and goes off on a new Journey with.

No there wasn't a kiss, that's because the finale would have been pulled off the air in several of the countries it was being aired in. But there was so much in the subtext if you just paid attention.
Title: Re: Korrasami
Post by: Sailor_Tenchi on July 13, 2017, 02:51:18 AM
It's okay, we have the poppin' bottles post to remember if they really do come out of the woodwork. XD

And while I do think Korrasami could have used more screen-time--especially in regards to more shippy screen-time--I do feel it was the only pairing for them that made sense. And a rockin' one to boot! The blush is what got me feeling that the ship was more than fanon, personally, and I'm really glad they went with it in the end. Korra and Asami really work well together and I've always liked that about them.